On June 06 2012 21:38 NoGasfOu wrote: You just have to blame foreign tournament hosts like MLG and IPL. If they don't pay airplane tickets and hotel for Korean players, they wouldn't risk paying 2k each and fly half way around the world over here to compete. Maybe coach Lee would send a couple players over, plus MC, that's it. If you don't want heavy number of Koreans in the tournaments, just tell those organizations! no just shouting out to nowhere.
They pay the tickets for Koreans to come to these events because it gives the tournament legitimacy. A tournament just filled with a bunch of foreigners doesn't carry any weight to it, and less people will watch contrary to what the OP believes.
On June 06 2012 21:33 Calis5 wrote: Its people like the OP that gets terran nerfed (the objectively hardest race played by the best koreans) and Protoss/Zerg buffed (the go to choice for foreigners because you can just a-move)
How did you manage to insert a balance whine in this thread ? Seriously you're a genius :D
I'm completely serious, blizzard balances terran around the likes of MKP and MVP and blizzard balances zerg/protoss around NA 'pros'
The only thing you can do is change the qualification system to give spots based on region, but I don't think this would be very good idea, if 4 top koreans qualify to pool play, it's 80% guaranteed they'll take all top 3 spots. It would be last year all over again and what's the difference between now and then if the top 3 are the same? Foreigners don't have the same structure and even the few who do, doesn't practice enough or isn't good enough.
I don't want SC2 to end up like BW, closed to South Korea only, but it seems to be what's happening.
On June 06 2012 21:14 marcesr wrote: ... How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if its all about Random Korean 1 who likes noodles and plays all day against Random Korean 2 who likes noodles and plays all day? (Sorry for the polemical phrases but im quite disappointed.)
Really are we now insulting our great overlords? If foreigners want to compete on the same level of koreans (talking mostly about the pros here) then they have to play SC2 as if their lives depended on it.
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote: Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right?
foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response
You mean the foreigners are just worse than the Koreans? The only people the foreigners can blame for being behind is theirselves, if they worked harder they would play better.
you can practice as much as you want but if you dont have alot of high level players to discuss the game with you wont improve as fast as other players
Considering that MMA and others on SlayerS said that Thorzain is one of the best people to talk about the game with, why is that a problem? Are there really not enough high level foreigners that can throw ideas and strategies off eachother, or do they just not do so?
On June 06 2012 21:33 Calis5 wrote: Its people like the OP that gets terran nerfed (the objectively hardest race played by the best koreans) and Protoss/Zerg buffed (the go to choice for foreigners because you can just a-move)
How did you manage to insert a balance whine in this thread ? Seriously you're a genius :D
I'm completely serious, blizzard balances terran around the likes of MKP and MVP and blizzard balances zerg/protoss around NA 'pros'
While I don't agree with your balance whining, I somewhat agree with your view on Blizzard :p
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote: Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right?
foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response
The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree
LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do
All this stuff points to the team management. How about the management steps up their game and actually creates practice partner contacts with other teams and people. :p
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote: Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right?
foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response
You mean the foreigners are just worse than the Koreans? The only people the foreigners can blame for being behind is theirselves, if they worked harder they would play better.
you can practice as much as you want but if you dont have alot of high level players to discuss the game with you wont improve as fast as other players
Considering that MMA and others on SlayerS said that Thorzain is one of the best people to talk about the game with, why is that a problem? Are there really not enough high level foreigners that can throw ideas and strategies off eachother, or do they just not do so?
yea im sure thorzain got into alot of in depth game analysis with the slayers players, pls dude. u can talk to them about strategies but only at a very basic level
lol i love this kind of thread, but come on guys T.T let Koreans get their fame while they can, there are going to tons of countless players from all over the world to challenge Koreans in near future
You want fairy tales, soap operas and circus theatrics: giant vs albino, one-armed vs one-eyed, black vs trans-gendered, midget vs morbidly obese. Why are you trying to make a real competition into a spectacle? Let serious tournaments do what they do best: separate the best from the rest.
On June 06 2012 21:25 JebOfArabia wrote: Esports is a global phenomenon played on a global stage. Koreans are the best. Limiting the number of Koreans at foreign tournaments would end up creating a kiddy league for foreigners while the grownups duke it out in Seoul. No thanks. Korean teams are much better established and financially flush. Foreign players and team will get better as esports grows in NA and EU.
Look at the LoL scene, its success also come from the fact they can see much more western countries teams rather than 8 team out of 10 being korean.
Not at all, it's success comes from the fact that Riot's been injecting thousands and thousands of dollars to CREATE eSports in it's game during the first year and a half.
What would fit your demonstration more would be DOTA (first or second, that's not the point) which has been a game where several teams from all over the world competed on equal footage for many years (until the Chinese dominance started, and still, great EU and NA teams were able to match them very ofter).
So what if foreigners don't have the same conditions as Korean teams? If they truly want to be the best players, then by all means they should go out there and make those conditions for themselves. Yes, it will be hard, but if you want to be the best you will have a hard road anyway. Otherwise, don't complain about Korean loaded tournaments.
Koreans deserv to be there because they are the better players. I can relate to most koreans more than i can relate to some random foreigner i never heard of and that has no achievments what so ever. I dont like players from my country, i like players who play Starcraft II really really well and that, for me, is not foreigners but players like MC MKP MVP DRG. I dont get excited when i see random foreigners in a tournament that got there because they were seeded. It actually bores me to death to see foreigner play.
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