• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:15
CET 03:15
KST 11:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada0SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA2StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1562 users

Stop the Korean Invasion! - Page 6

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 26 Next All
Eruism
Profile Joined December 2011
United States312 Posts
June 06 2012 12:41 GMT
#101
On June 06 2012 21:38 NoGasfOu wrote:
You just have to blame foreign tournament hosts like MLG and IPL. If they don't pay airplane tickets and hotel for Korean players, they wouldn't risk paying 2k each and fly half way around the world over here to compete. Maybe coach Lee would send a couple players over, plus MC, that's it. If you don't want heavy number of Koreans in the tournaments, just tell those organizations! no just shouting out to nowhere.

They pay the tickets for Koreans to come to these events because it gives the tournament legitimacy. A tournament just filled with a bunch of foreigners doesn't carry any weight to it, and less people will watch contrary to what the OP believes.
PartinG MarineKing Mvp Polt Keen ByuN <3
Calis5
Profile Joined May 2012
26 Posts
June 06 2012 12:42 GMT
#102
On June 06 2012 21:39 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:33 Calis5 wrote:
Its people like the OP that gets terran nerfed (the objectively hardest race played by the best koreans) and Protoss/Zerg buffed (the go to choice for foreigners because you can just a-move)


How did you manage to insert a balance whine in this thread ? Seriously you're a genius :D

I'm completely serious, blizzard balances terran around the likes of MKP and MVP and blizzard balances zerg/protoss around NA 'pros'
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
June 06 2012 12:42 GMT
#103
The only thing you can do is change the qualification system to give spots based on region, but I don't think this would be very good idea, if 4 top koreans qualify to pool play, it's 80% guaranteed they'll take all top 3 spots. It would be last year all over again and what's the difference between now and then if the top 3 are the same?
Foreigners don't have the same structure and even the few who do, doesn't practice enough or isn't good enough.

I don't want SC2 to end up like BW, closed to South Korea only, but it seems to be what's happening.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
June 06 2012 12:43 GMT
#104
On June 06 2012 21:14 marcesr wrote:
...
How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if its all about Random Korean 1 who likes noodles and plays all day against Random Korean 2 who likes noodles and plays all day? (Sorry for the polemical phrases but im quite disappointed.)


Really are we now insulting our great overlords? If foreigners want to compete on the same level of koreans (talking mostly about the pros here) then they have to play SC2 as if their lives depended on it.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
June 06 2012 12:43 GMT
#105
On June 06 2012 21:41 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:37 Dissonance23 wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!

Right?



foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response


You mean the foreigners are just worse than the Koreans? The only people the foreigners can blame for being behind is theirselves, if they worked harder they would play better.


you can practice as much as you want but if you dont have alot of high level players to discuss the game with you wont improve as fast as other players


Considering that MMA and others on SlayerS said that Thorzain is one of the best people to talk about the game with, why is that a problem? Are there really not enough high level foreigners that can throw ideas and strategies off eachother, or do they just not do so?
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
June 06 2012 12:43 GMT
#106
On June 06 2012 21:40 WallieP wrote:

Ps: People calling this topic racism and asking for a close of this topic, get a life!

People asking for a limited number of Koreans at major tournaments, get a life! See what I did there?
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
June 06 2012 12:44 GMT
#107
On June 06 2012 21:42 Calis5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:39 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:33 Calis5 wrote:
Its people like the OP that gets terran nerfed (the objectively hardest race played by the best koreans) and Protoss/Zerg buffed (the go to choice for foreigners because you can just a-move)


How did you manage to insert a balance whine in this thread ? Seriously you're a genius :D

I'm completely serious, blizzard balances terran around the likes of MKP and MVP and blizzard balances zerg/protoss around NA 'pros'

While I don't agree with your balance whining, I somewhat agree with your view on Blizzard :p
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
June 06 2012 12:44 GMT
#108
On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!

Right?



foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response


The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree


LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder
and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do


All this stuff points to the team management. How about the management steps up their game and actually creates practice partner contacts with other teams and people. :p
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
June 06 2012 12:45 GMT
#109
On June 06 2012 21:43 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:41 mTwTT1 wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:37 Dissonance23 wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!

Right?



foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response


You mean the foreigners are just worse than the Koreans? The only people the foreigners can blame for being behind is theirselves, if they worked harder they would play better.


you can practice as much as you want but if you dont have alot of high level players to discuss the game with you wont improve as fast as other players


Considering that MMA and others on SlayerS said that Thorzain is one of the best people to talk about the game with, why is that a problem? Are there really not enough high level foreigners that can throw ideas and strategies off eachother, or do they just not do so?


yea im sure thorzain got into alot of in depth game analysis with the slayers players, pls dude. u can talk to them about strategies but only at a very basic level
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
June 06 2012 12:45 GMT
#110
SOCKE, GRUBBY AND STEPHANO FTW
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 06 2012 12:45 GMT
#111
You can always watch IEM instead

ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Haustka
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#112
lol i love this kind of thread, but come on guys T.T let Koreans get their fame while they can, there are going to tons of countless players from all over the world to challenge Koreans in near future

Power of Human Will
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#113
You dont have to watch or play sc2 you know. This problem you claim has been here since the beginning and will never change
WallieP
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands425 Posts
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#114
On June 06 2012 21:43 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:40 WallieP wrote:

Ps: People calling this topic racism and asking for a close of this topic, get a life!

People asking for a limited number of Koreans at major tournaments, get a life! See what I did there?

I see what you tried yes, but you failed. Talking about racism in a topic/conversation like this is just out of proportion.
i came i saw i conquered
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 13:20:56
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#115
You want fairy tales, soap operas and circus theatrics: giant vs albino, one-armed vs one-eyed, black vs trans-gendered, midget vs morbidly obese. Why are you trying to make a real competition into a spectacle? Let serious tournaments do what they do best: separate the best from the rest.
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#116
On June 06 2012 21:28 Maxquatre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:25 JebOfArabia wrote:
Esports is a global phenomenon played on a global stage. Koreans are the best. Limiting the number of Koreans at foreign tournaments would end up creating a kiddy league for foreigners while the grownups duke it out in Seoul. No thanks. Korean teams are much better established and financially flush. Foreign players and team will get better as esports grows in NA and EU.


Look at the LoL scene, its success also come from the fact they can see much more western countries teams rather than 8 team out of 10 being korean.


Not at all, it's success comes from the fact that Riot's been injecting thousands and thousands of dollars to CREATE eSports in it's game during the first year and a half.

What would fit your demonstration more would be DOTA (first or second, that's not the point) which has been a game where several teams from all over the world competed on equal footage for many years (until the Chinese dominance started, and still, great EU and NA teams were able to match them very ofter).

Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#117
I know its kind of silly but I really lose interest in events once it becomes a pool of only Koreans.
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
June 06 2012 12:46 GMT
#118
So what if foreigners don't have the same conditions as Korean teams? If they truly want to be the best players, then by all means they should go out there and make those conditions for themselves. Yes, it will be hard, but if you want to be the best you will have a hard road anyway. Otherwise, don't complain about Korean loaded tournaments.
MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
June 06 2012 12:47 GMT
#119
This shit again ?

Koreans deserv to be there because they are the better players.
I can relate to most koreans more than i can relate to some random foreigner i never heard of and that has no achievments what so ever.
I dont like players from my country, i like players who play Starcraft II really really well and that, for me, is not foreigners but players like MC MKP MVP DRG. I dont get excited when i see random foreigners in a tournament that got there because they were seeded. It actually bores me to death to see foreigner play.
MKP | Maru | Nada | Boxer | Supernova | Keen
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
June 06 2012 12:47 GMT
#120
I don't wanna see crappy foreigners.

It devalues the integrity of the tournament.
#1 Terran hater
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 26 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
Enki Epic Series #6 | LiuLi Cup #47
CranKy Ducklings184
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 127
Nathanias 72
Nina 55
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 939
Artosis 695
NaDa 30
Noble 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever447
League of Legends
JimRising 366
Counter-Strike
fl0m1594
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox416
Other Games
summit1g11687
shahzam583
Maynarde141
C9.Mang0116
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1129
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21779
Other Games
• Scarra1290
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
9h 45m
OSC
14h 45m
Replay Cast
20h 45m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 9h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 20h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.