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On June 06 2012 21:59 DreamOen wrote:
You cant blame the organizations because the players of some region are bad, its players fault.
So let's compare it to real sports, the one that actually attract a lot of people.
Olympic games, people from all countries are allowed to compete equally
Football (as in soccer), people from all countries are allowed to compete equally
Formula 1, people from all countries are allowed to compete equally
Basketball, people from all countries are allowed to compete equally
We see lot of crappy players/teams during these events, still, we don't see only 3 countries represented in INTERNATIONAL competitions.
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On June 06 2012 21:20 Naniwa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans  shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree you still dont know what you are talking about so why even bother? guess its same old same old tho.. people who have no clue always speak too much ))
Ok,man,what are you waitong to explain it?I would wish to know what kind of conditions have koreans and foreigners.Its ok,that you know it,so some kind of info would be pretty nice,PLEASE
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you just have to show that leagues without koreans can get a lot of viewers. In germany it does not work with the eps.
And in the end, 3 Koreans or 20 who cares. If they are better top 3 will be Korean and its ok. What is really entertaining that just koreans share replays with foreigners. Foreign players dont share their replays against koreans...y ofc.
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Completely agree with the OP.
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On June 06 2012 22:03 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:20 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree you still dont know what you are talking about so why even bother? guess its same old same old tho.. people who have no clue always speak too much )) Ok,man,what are you waitong to explain it?I would wish to know what kind of conditions have koreans and foreigners.Its ok,that you know it,so some kind of info would be pretty nice,PLEASE
ur right im sorry  i explained it in the next comment! Disregard the first ones ;D
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On June 06 2012 21:58 WallieP wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:52 ES.Genie wrote:On June 06 2012 21:46 WallieP wrote:On June 06 2012 21:43 ES.Genie wrote:On June 06 2012 21:40 WallieP wrote:
Ps: People calling this topic racism and asking for a close of this topic, get a life! People asking for a limited number of Koreans at major tournaments, get a life! See what I did there? I see what you tried yes, but you failed. Talking about racism in a topic/conversation like this is just out of proportion. Someone wants to limit the number of people major tournaments because of their nationality, but it's out of proportion to talk about nationalism/racism? Yeah you are so damn right. "How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if its all about Random Korean 1 who likes noodles and plays all day against Random Korean 2 who likes noodles and plays all day?" Racism? Get a life. Nice troll. You are right, the comments about the noodles eating isnt nice, but thats just 1 line and im not so narrow minded i will not read the rest of the story then or only react on that single lin... i was talking about the whole picture which is to many koreans at major tournaments which i agree on... that has nothing to do with racism but just making the tourneys more fun to watch and have more of a "click" with the players
That's your opinion. Write a blog, eat some ice cream - the rest of us doesn't care, because we are Starcraft fans and we want to see the best Starcraft games, so your complaints here are completely misplaced.
And racism can never be tolerated, not even a single line.
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As a side note, I can name several reasons of why women have a natural advantage over men, for example: intuition, patience, better multi-tasking, better pain/fatigue tolerance... and yet there are very few women competing in the sc2 scene, can't explain to my self why it is like it is right now.
It doesn't matter if a particular country (S. Korea) have a lot of good players also it doesn't matter if the scene is filled by their names, they worked hard to achieve their current status and we shouldn't dumb down "foreign" tournaments just because it doesn't seem fair towards our native lazy sc2 players.
All in all, practice is the mother of learning and basically we have the same set of skills (no matter if white/black/yellow/whatever) available to us, it's just how we "decide" to nurture them.
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Yeah I'd rather watch skillful koreans than mediocre foreigners.
You gotta step it up if you want foreigners to steamroll koreans.
Oh shouldn't this whining be on reddit?
OH KOREANS IMBA NERF THEM ON LE MLG PLZZZZXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDDDDDDDDDDD UPBOAT PLOX
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LOL ok so what if Koreans have an inherent advantage in their structure as some people have said? Lets punish them for taking all the opportunities they have and for putting in the commitment to be better. I could easily say that there are people in poorer countries that don't even get the opportunities that most foreigners gets...
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On June 06 2012 22:02 Klaas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:52 RageCommodore wrote:
That's like saying "ban the european teams from Soccer world championship, they are too strong!!!1" Look at the qualifying spots for the world cup, the tournament would be composed of mostly european and south american teams if they didn't have limited spots. Countries like New Zealand, T&T, N. Korea and so on would never qualify. Anyway I lose interest when brackets are filled nothing but koreans in foreign tournaments, while touranments without koreans have much less prestige, I want tournaments to find the middle ground and invite like half a dozen koreans at most.
Well if they limit the amount of US players as well than im fine with it 
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On June 06 2012 22:01 Anvil666 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:53 Douillos wrote:On June 06 2012 21:46 WallieP wrote:On June 06 2012 21:43 ES.Genie wrote:On June 06 2012 21:40 WallieP wrote:
Ps: People calling this topic racism and asking for a close of this topic, get a life! People asking for a limited number of Koreans at major tournaments, get a life! See what I did there? I see what you tried yes, but you failed. Talking about racism in a topic/conversation like this is just out of proportion. Saying "random korean who likes noodles" is a bit borderline. Even from a german. (see what i did there?) LOL fuck you, mate. I don't see what racism and a German nationality would have in common. There is NO RELATION in any way whatsoever. Not in history, not in present, not in the future. I would go so far as to say that there has never been human being on this planet who was a racist and called himself a German. Just doesn't happen.
mate. Please try to understand. What i was trying to do. Half of my family is German. But saying something like "those noodle eating koreans" is as bad as saying "those fat german beer drinkers" or worse, making a very bad allusion to a country's past.
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Nah,i like it this way.It makes a tournament win or a good run from a foreigner look like a really impressive achievement.
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On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response
You are the one who should shut your mouth, foreigners get good salaries(most koreans gets none) and much more opportunities to attend international tournaments and still get completely stomped by koreans. Lmao So you think koreans are genetically superior in starcraft?
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On June 06 2012 22:02 Maxquatre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:59 DreamOen wrote:
You cant blame the organizations because the players of some region are bad, its players fault. So let's compare it to real sports, the one that actually attract a lot of people. Olympic games, people from all countries are allowed to compete equally Football (as in soccer), people from all countries are allowed to compete equally Formula 1, people from all countries are allowed to compete equally Basketball, people from all countries are allowed to compete equally We see lot of crappy players/teams during these events, still, we don't see only 3 countries represented in INTERNATIONAL competitions.
Your first two examples are wrong. In olympics people form a country are send form the country, not through a international qualification process. Same is true for Football.
Just wanted to add that.
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I agree with the OP. If I'm not mistaken, I think that in EU football there is a rule that limits the number of non european people that can play in a team. There is nothing wrong with it and I don't see people "whining" because there aren't enough brasilians in EU football.
SC2 tournaments should do that as well, I don't see any problem with it and it's not racist at all.
I find that all the tournaments stacked with koreans become so boring to watch after a while because you don't see "fights" like the old Idra vs Huk. There is no difference between korean player X and korean player Y. Their interview aren't exciting ( except a few like MC ).
I was enjoying a lot more "older" tournaments stacked with the average non korean player.
Right now it just seems to watch the same tournament over and over and over and it's getting boring really fast.
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I prefer by far a tournament with player better than a competition with less korean. I don't care at all about the nationality of the player. I don't care if MVP is from Korean or Sweden or Madacascar, I wanna see him play, this is it.
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My thoughts on tournaments are currently:
MLG > GSL > Dreamhack.
Explanation:
I like watching tourneys for
a) good games
b) players/personalities/stories
Now in regards to b) I feel a huge chunk of personality gets lost in translation. So much so, that I mainly cheer for the 'Zerg' Korean only because I play Zerg, and not because I have any actual affinity for them.
So MLG, wins for me because they have (had?) the right mix of personality and good games. GSL second because good games trump personality if you have to choose between them. Finally Dreamhack.
Believe it or not, some people get a lot of enjoyment from sports from knowing the players, their personalities and idiosyncrasies. Take this aspect out, and support will drop. People have suggested you don't need to know Korean to learn about the players. I find it difficult. The only one I really have an opinion about is MC (I don't like him). The other's I have no idea. Maybe I don't watch enough GSL, but if that becomes required viewing for watching MLG too, then good luck NA scene.
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On June 06 2012 22:02 Klaas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:52 RageCommodore wrote:
That's like saying "ban the european teams from Soccer world championship, they are too strong!!!1" Look at the qualifying spots for the world cup, the tournament would be composed of mostly european and south american teams if they didn't have limited spots. Countries like New Zealand, T&T, N. Korea and so on would never qualify. Anyway I lose interest when brackets are filled nothing but koreans in foreign tournaments, while touranments without koreans have much less prestige, I want tournaments to find the middle ground and invite like half a dozen koreans at most.
But see, the middle ground will be "found" once foreigners actually earn those spots, not by artificially controlling who gets to compete.
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There is some truth to TT1 and Naniwa's comments (although Naniwa is proving why he gets kicked off of every team he joins. I'm sure Quantic loves having you represent them.), but I do also think there is some truth to the thought that a lot of foreigners, specifically Americans, don't put enough time into practice and put too much time into marketing themselves as personalities. There needs to be some of both, but it appears to lookers-on that these players don't put enough time into practicing.
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Who says Koreans don't show personality? Violet, dongraegu, marineking and MC always show plenty of it, in fact most Koreans love the crowd more than foreigners do when I see them on the main stage when was the last time you saw a foreigner do a hadouken, high five the crowd or put on other elaborate ceremonies?
It seems odd that people act as if the Koreans are just soulless practice machines when from what I've seen the Koreans are better showmen than foreigners I dunno it just seems all the ceremonies and funny BM comes from the Koreans.
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