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Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
June 06 2012 13:10 GMT
#181
The more koreans in MLG the better. The foreign pros simply have to step their game up if they want to compete.
Maxquatre
Profile Joined April 2011
France493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 13:11:18
June 06 2012 13:11 GMT
#182
On June 06 2012 22:08 Jojo131 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:02 Klaas wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:52 RageCommodore wrote:
That's like saying "ban the european teams from Soccer world championship, they are too strong!!!1"


Look at the qualifying spots for the world cup, the tournament would be composed of mostly european and south american teams if they didn't have limited spots. Countries like New Zealand, T&T, N. Korea and so on would never qualify.

Anyway I lose interest when brackets are filled nothing but koreans in foreign tournaments, while touranments without koreans have much less prestige, I want tournaments to find the middle ground and invite like half a dozen koreans at most.

But see, the middle ground will be "found" once foreigners actually earn those spots, not by artificially controlling who gets to compete.


Because obviously, we've seen more and more foreigners able to compete against koreans. And it's also pretty clear that seeing that none succeed, other will be motivated to continue working to win, especially when their korean counterparts do whatever they can to make sure that they can't. (Naniwa's previous comment)
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
June 06 2012 13:11 GMT
#183
this OP is racist and this whole thread is kind of offensive and pointless. Really surprised the mods haven't closed it. Can we please move past this foreigner vs korean bullshit already? Its old, pointless and going to ultimately make the community look ignorant and bitter to everyone else looking in. (read: hurting ESPORTS)
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
June 06 2012 13:11 GMT
#184
Tournaments should be about skill, end of.
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 06 2012 13:11 GMT
#185
On June 06 2012 22:10 Fusilero wrote:
Who says Koreans don't show personality? Violet, dongraegu, marineking and MC always show plenty of it, in fact most Koreans love the crowd more than foreigners do when I see them on the main stage when was the last time you saw a foreigner do a hadouken, high five the crowd or put on other elaborate ceremonies?
It seems odd that people act as if the Koreans are just soulless practice machines when from what I've seen the Koreans are better showmen than foreigners I dunno it just seems all the ceremonies and funny BM comes from the Koreans.


Absolutely it just shows teh lack of empatie towards people with ... different genes or a different altitude i guess.
Thats for me the deffinition of racism.
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 13:14:44
June 06 2012 13:12 GMT
#186
This nonsense again?
Foreigners just need to step up their game and if not they just get rolled over( well not like they have been rolled so hard so many times already).

Koreans work harder and play better and hence they deserved it. I rerember Huk commented that the foreigners don't have much passion in the game and hence practice less.

Limiting the koreans number is plain bullshit.
Once the BW pros fully transition to SC2 full time, the competiton will get even harder.

While having the foreigners compete with the koreans is exciting, but the gap is getting wider and wider and then
pretty much the koreans will dominated the SC2 scene like they did in BW.

Koreans are improving whereas the foreigners progress is stagnant.
Play your best
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 06 2012 13:12 GMT
#187
MLG whats that ? oh you mean the GSL on american ground without players being able to prepare enough for the games!

Overall its preference, I prefer foreigners, since their play is more entertaining and less predictable and sometimes has something new in it and aren't over after 5 minutes. Not that i dislike planned out series of Mind Games. But they are not on the level I would enjoy. Especially with the current map pool + loser pick without enough vetos.
But when we talk of preference, the organizers have those too and can do what they prefer. And if it is a second GSL they want, they should do it. If its successful it means enough people want it like this.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 06 2012 13:14 GMT
#188
The higher the level of competition the better. That means that SC2 is actually turning into a legitimate competitive endeavor like BW was and not a retarded popularity contest.
Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
June 06 2012 13:14 GMT
#189
What a stupid thread.
Weeeee
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
June 06 2012 13:14 GMT
#190
On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!

Right?



foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response


The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree


LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder
and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do


If foreigners dont have the same conditions/opportunities as Koreans then its up to them or their teams to emulate what the Koreans do. To quote Preston Broadus foreigners need to either step up or step the fuck off.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
June 06 2012 13:15 GMT
#191
IMO, Tournaments are a lot Exciting to watch if there are more koreans. For Example MKP,Mvp,Nestea,MMA, And all other top players so that we can see how foreigners can match with them. And look at the bright side, for example, Naniwa, Stephano, Thorzain Are some of the players that are catching up with the skills of korean. it is just the matter of practice.
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
Anvil666
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany122 Posts
June 06 2012 13:15 GMT
#192
On June 06 2012 22:05 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:01 Anvil666 wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:53 Douillos wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:46 WallieP wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:43 ES.Genie wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:40 WallieP wrote:

Ps: People calling this topic racism and asking for a close of this topic, get a life!

People asking for a limited number of Koreans at major tournaments, get a life! See what I did there?

I see what you tried yes, but you failed. Talking about racism in a topic/conversation like this is just out of proportion.


Saying "random korean who likes noodles" is a bit borderline. Even from a german. (see what i did there?)


LOL fuck you, mate. I don't see what racism and a German nationality would have in common. There is NO RELATION in any way whatsoever. Not in history, not in present, not in the future. I would go so far as to say that there has never been human being on this planet who was a racist and called himself a German. Just doesn't happen.



mate. Please try to understand. What i was trying to do. Half of my family is German. But saying something like "those noodle eating koreans" is as bad as saying "those fat german beer drinkers" or worse, making a very bad allusion to a country's past.


Looks like the internet once again failed to transmit the irony in my post. I was joking, no hard feelings :D
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
June 06 2012 13:15 GMT
#193
Funny thing is that right now, the foreigner/korean competition is really good because a lot of foreigners seem to do what they should do: step up their game. Guys like Illusion have shown that you don't have to be Stephano to give top Koreans a run for their money. Seriously, this topic was brought up after MLG Anaheim last year, and now it's coming back... is this some kind of Anaheim curse?
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
June 06 2012 13:16 GMT
#194
On June 06 2012 22:14 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!

Right?



foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response


The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree


LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder
and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do


If foreigners dont have the same conditions/opportunities as Koreans then its up to them or their teams to emulate what the Koreans do. To quote Preston Broadus foreigners need to either step up or step the fuck off.


how would you go about doing this? walk me through it please
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
June 06 2012 13:16 GMT
#195
On June 06 2012 21:33 Ktk wrote:
Isn't this just veiled racism?

>close?


I'm trying to find some racism myself, I know it's there, I just can't quite put my finger on it.

On June 06 2012 21:14 marcesr wrote:
How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if its all about Random Korean 1 who likes noodles and plays all day against Random Korean 2 who likes noodles and plays all day? (Sorry for the polemical phrases but im quite disappointed.)


"How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if it's all about weak, cowering white men who can't stand up to their vastly superior Korean overlords and relying on their kiddie Code E level tournaments for hollow cash prizes that provide no bragging rights?"

There's a difference between being polemic, and being flat out dumb.

Foreign pro-gamers put a lot of time and effort in improving their game. Foreign tournaments and their organizers put a lot of time and effort in bringing in not only sponsors, but also the best talent they can find. Who wants to see a tournament where the top talents are excluded? I root for certain foreigners, but if they decided one day that they'd only participate in tournaments without Koreans, I'd pretty much lose respect for them. No one would support those players.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
June 06 2012 13:16 GMT
#196
On June 06 2012 22:11 Maxquatre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:08 Jojo131 wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:02 Klaas wrote:
On June 06 2012 21:52 RageCommodore wrote:
That's like saying "ban the european teams from Soccer world championship, they are too strong!!!1"


Look at the qualifying spots for the world cup, the tournament would be composed of mostly european and south american teams if they didn't have limited spots. Countries like New Zealand, T&T, N. Korea and so on would never qualify.

Anyway I lose interest when brackets are filled nothing but koreans in foreign tournaments, while touranments without koreans have much less prestige, I want tournaments to find the middle ground and invite like half a dozen koreans at most.

But see, the middle ground will be "found" once foreigners actually earn those spots, not by artificially controlling who gets to compete.


Because obviously, we've seen more and more foreigners able to compete against koreans. And it's also pretty clear that seeing that none succeed, other will be motivated to continue working to win, especially when their korean counterparts do whatever they can to make sure that they can't. (Naniwa's previous comment)

Except that we have seen more foreigners able to compete against Koreans. Or are you going to ignore Naniwa's recent GSL run? Stephano's runs through other recent korean dominated tournaments? Foreigners can compete with Koreans, given enough time.
Long live the King of Wings
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
June 06 2012 13:16 GMT
#197
Ye, let's ban all the korean pros from attending foreign tournaments. Just because first ones are so good that they leave no chance for others to get any prize money.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
June 06 2012 13:17 GMT
#198
On June 06 2012 22:12 FeyFey wrote:
MLG whats that ? oh you mean the GSL on american ground without players being able to prepare enough for the games!

Overall its preference, I prefer foreigners, since their play is more entertaining and less predictable and sometimes has something new in it and aren't over after 5 minutes.
Not that i dislike planned out series of Mind Games. But they are not on the level I would enjoy. Especially with the current map pool + loser pick without enough vetos.
But when we talk of preference, the organizers have those too and can do what they prefer. And if it is a second GSL they want, they should do it. If its successful it means enough people want it like this.

What the fuck are you even talking about? oO Ever watched a single game of MKP? No? So stop talking about things you don't have a clue of.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
June 06 2012 13:17 GMT
#199
I rather watch top play than bad play. It doesn't matter who preforms the top play....koreans,non-koreans all are the same because they are gamers and i rather watch the better gamers win.
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 13:18:23
June 06 2012 13:17 GMT
#200
On June 06 2012 22:16 DidYuhim wrote:
Ye, let's ban all the korean pros from attending foreign tournaments. Just because first ones are so good that they leave no chance for others to get any prize money.

yeah than lets look at the next best country and ban those that will seal the deal ^^
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