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On June 06 2012 22:16 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:14 coloursheep wrote:On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans  shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do If foreigners dont have the same conditions/opportunities as Koreans then its up to them or their teams to emulate what the Koreans do. To quote Preston Broadus foreigners need to either step up or step the fuck off. how would you go about doing this? walk me through it please
Set up a team house in korean with coaches, sufficient practice partners and schedules, basically the same as the Korean teams do but a for a non-Korean team. For something more specific than that I'm not the person to ask but my basic point is that foreign players/fans cannot complain about Koreans being more successful when the non-Korean teams and players are not simply copying their training techniques. If the EG is not good then create an EG house in Korea, or fully partner with Slayers and have all EG players live and train in the Slayers training house.
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On June 06 2012 22:21 ninjamyst wrote:
OP is not calling for NO Koreans. He's just asking for limited Korean spots. I agree that a tournament with mostly Koreans is not ideal. There should be diversity. To be fair, there should be a limit of how many players each team (regardless of nationality/region) can send.
LOL that would mean less foreighners not more loool you guys are so silly ^^
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Surprised this level of racism is allowed on TL, I will never understand people that somehow define other human beings based on their geographical birthplace, it's really disgusting.
"Stop the best players from competing in MLG!" makes no sense at all. I would understand such opinions about national leagues, say in sweden there is a rule about having X amount of foreign players in your football team since it's a national league. MLG is no such thing, it's completely open to any citizen of any country.
If you want MLG to be a national league then make a topic about that, don't discriminate a whole country because most of the worlds best players are from it.
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On June 06 2012 22:21 ninjamyst wrote:
OP is not calling for NO Koreans. He's just asking for limited Korean spots. I agree that a tournament with mostly Koreans is not ideal. There should be diversity. To be fair, there should be a limit of how many players each team (regardless of nationality/region) can send.
Actually there are a lot of foreigners too but they do not get deep in the run. So why blame koreans? We as foreigners should just practice more.
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On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do
Fuck TT1, what the hell you want? You want to play on NA with who?
DRG, MKP, MC, MVP, Losira and so on? Would you want them to speak english with you too?
If you are practicing with NA pros, and you find NA ladder to be weak, why not practice among yourselves? If you have a team house, you will have the players, the discussion and the enviroinment. I don't see how this is any different from korean team houses.
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On June 06 2012 22:21 Ace1123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:20 ceaRshaf wrote:On June 06 2012 22:19 Ace1123 wrote:
AnD banning Koreans is like racism. So The OP wants koreans to stay in korea and not allow them to join tournaments in Foreign countries because they always win?. That doesn't sound right. In fact If we want Sc2 to grow more, Players all-over the world should join as many tournaments as possible worldwide A tournament is allowed to have a rule that says only 10 players per country are allowed. That is not racism even though it would be directly aimed to Koreans . So How many Countries will participate actually? so America is considered one country so there will be a lot of player who cannot join.
Good. Then the best 10 players from US will come. And the best 10 players from Korea will come. We will have a GLOBAL tournament full of skill instead of low level all over the place players + KOREA.
Tournaments should want to target the global market not only Korea and the fans of Korea.
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the problem is that if u do that, it will be a big blow for the scene in korea. why have a 100 gosu players when only the 3 most gosu can show up at international tournaments? and the other 97 live off rice and canned tuna?
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On June 06 2012 22:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:
And think of it this way, did IPL not have huge storylines with Squirtle coming from the open bracket to almost win the whole thing, Scarlett skyrocketing out of nowhere, WhiteRa and Stephano in the group stages? Think about what would happen if no Koreans had been there. None of this would have been talked about AT ALL because it wouldn't have been nearly as impressive.
It seems to me like you're just not familiar with the korean scene and don't want to get into it because you already have your favorites.
Excellent post. It also has the benefit of being completely organic and not contrived.
If you just want personality and storylines, WWF is that way. This is a competitive game, not a TV show.
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On June 06 2012 22:12 FeyFey wrote:
MLG whats that ? oh you mean the GSL on american ground without players being able to prepare enough for the games!
Overall its preference, I prefer foreigners, since their play is more entertaining and less predictable and sometimes has something new in it and aren't over after 5 minutes. Not that i dislike planned out series of Mind Games. But they are not on the level I would enjoy. Especially with the current map pool + loser pick without enough vetos.
But when we talk of preference, the organizers have those too and can do what they prefer. And if it is a second GSL they want, they should do it. If its successful it means enough people want it like this.
More entertaining, less predictable, and innovation? That part alone baffled me, until I read your line on how Korean games are all over in 5 minutes. You had me there for a second 
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On June 06 2012 22:19 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:16 LimitSEA wrote:On June 06 2012 22:11 Maxquatre wrote:On June 06 2012 22:08 Jojo131 wrote:On June 06 2012 22:02 Klaas wrote:On June 06 2012 21:52 RageCommodore wrote:
That's like saying "ban the european teams from Soccer world championship, they are too strong!!!1" Look at the qualifying spots for the world cup, the tournament would be composed of mostly european and south american teams if they didn't have limited spots. Countries like New Zealand, T&T, N. Korea and so on would never qualify. Anyway I lose interest when brackets are filled nothing but koreans in foreign tournaments, while touranments without koreans have much less prestige, I want tournaments to find the middle ground and invite like half a dozen koreans at most. But see, the middle ground will be "found" once foreigners actually earn those spots, not by artificially controlling who gets to compete. Because obviously, we've seen more and more foreigners able to compete against koreans. And it's also pretty clear that seeing that none succeed, other will be motivated to continue working to win, especially when their korean counterparts do whatever they can to make sure that they can't. (Naniwa's previous comment) Except that we have seen more foreigners able to compete against Koreans. Or are you going to ignore Naniwa's recent GSL run? Stephano's runs through other recent korean dominated tournaments? Foreigners can compete with Koreans, given enough time. I don't think the number has increased, Sure we've got Stephano and Naniwa now, but we lost Jinro and Idra. Some people are suggesting, that once the BW pros switch, there'll be no foreigner that will be able to compete.
Jinro's period of domination was during a period where the game wasn't quite as figured out. IdrA I think is actually still playing really well, he's just had a little bit of bad luck. The results will come for him soon. I'd like to see how young players like Illusion and Feast do with a little more time, not to mention a handful of other up and coming foreign players I can't remember off the top of my head.
That may be true, it's hard to say. But in either case, simply banning a group of people from one of the most prestigious foreign tournaments out there because they're better makes little to no sense.
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Stop being racist, Fellows. If you don't like having koreans winning everything then just beat them. Simple as that.
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This thread is so unbelivably stupid it hurts my brain.
How about we have a white only qualifier for the Men's 100m so that 4/10 starters are white guys who run it in 11 seconds?
Or how about we force the NBA teams to have at least 2 white guys on the court at any one time?
You know what, black guys aren't good enough at swimming, I need to complain to the Olympics and make them give free spots to black swimmers.
Africa doesn't have as good an infrastructure for making footballers as Europe and South America. If only Drogba, Eto'o, Essien, Weah and Miller had spent all day whining about the injustice on the internet instead of working their asses off and becoming some of the best players in the world.
Every single sport in existance is dominated by certain countries. If you're too racist/pathetic to enjoy Brazilians playing football, Aussies playing cricket, Americans playing basketball, black people running or Koreans playing Starcraft you really need to take your racist hat off and think whether you even enjoy the game at all.
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On June 06 2012 22:23 shadymmj wrote:
the problem is that if u do that, it will be a big blow for the scene in korea. why have a 100 gosu players when only the 3 most gosu can show up at international tournaments? and the other 97 live off rice and canned tuna?
So we should be more concerned about korean scene than international scene?
Btw, was it that long ago when tourney outside of korea were without koreans and people were still very interested in them ?
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GSL Lite should be interesting. Go IdrA!
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Personally I think there are way too many heterosexuals in Starcraft. I propose a limit on all future tournaments until the gay community can get as solid a foothold as the straight community. As is right now, I've gotta say it's blatantly discriminatory to gay gamers.
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On June 06 2012 22:23 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do Fuck TT1, what the hell you want? You want to play on NA with who? DRG, MKP, MC, MVP, Losira and so on? Would you want them to speak english with you too? If you are practicing with NA pros, and you find NA ladder to be weak, why not practice among yourselves? If you have a team house, you will have the players, the discussion and the enviroinment. I don't see how this is any different from korean team houses.
Because Koreans right now are better at the game. There's a lot more knowledge about the game itself in Korean teams, otherwise nobody would go to Korea. If foreigners lock themselves together in their houses and the koreans do the same, guess what would happen? Not a single foreigner would stand a chance against ANY korean anymore. Foreigners caught up to the Korean skill level for one reason only - SCII became more international.
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On June 06 2012 22:26 Maxquatre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:23 shadymmj wrote:
the problem is that if u do that, it will be a big blow for the scene in korea. why have a 100 gosu players when only the 3 most gosu can show up at international tournaments? and the other 97 live off rice and canned tuna? So we should be more concerned about korean scene than international scene? Btw, was it that long ago when tourney outside of korea were without koreans and people were still very interested in them ?
People weren't anywhere near as intersted in them.
The audience for MLG's has grown phenomenally since they started inviting Koreans.
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
Why this thread isn't closed?
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On June 06 2012 22:20 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:15 RageCommodore wrote:
Funny thing is that right now, the foreigner/korean competition is really good because a lot of foreigners seem to do what they should do: step up their game. Guys like Illusion have shown that you don't have to be Stephano to give top Koreans a run for their money. Seriously, this topic was brought up after MLG Anaheim last year, and now it's coming back... is this some kind of Anaheim curse? Illusion is a Korean =.= and I am talking about QuanticIllusion. Stephano is an exception of the foreigners where he actually has talent and can perform well against koreans.
So you're basically saying that Illusion wouldn't be good if he wasn't of korean descent? You're pretty racist then if you think that way.
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On June 06 2012 22:27 RockIronrod wrote:
Personally I think there are way too many heterosexuals in Starcraft. I propose a limit on all future tournaments until the gay community can get as solid a foothold as the straight community. As is right now, I've gotta say it's blatantly discriminatory to gay gamers.
I agree.
At least 3 gay players need to be seeded into pool play.
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