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On May 22 2012 14:38 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 14:27 Whatson wrote:On May 22 2012 14:22 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2012 13:41 Whatson wrote:
Man, I feel so sorry for Kobe. He plays a great game, balls his heart out, practically scores as much as the rest of the LA team put together, but once again falls short. Time bomb's ticking Lakers, you'll be stuck with Bynum as your franchise player in a few years.
Well won OKC, they definitely deserved it.
Spurs vs Thunder is gonna be one helluva series. The timebomb is the $58 million dollars they'll be paying Kobe for the next two seasons. It's completely and utterly crippling - I'm 50% sure the Union would riot, but they simply have to approach him about restructuring. You can't feasibly compete with $55* million dollars tied up in 3 players. You can't even field a real team. Yes, the Heat in 2014 have around 63 million tied up.. EDIT: $65* They probably should restructure, but who's going to play for a team that's been routinely criticized as soft, lacking motivation, and lackadaisical? Anyone who can be paid by that organization? Are you really going to say that players actively don't want to go to the Lakers because they lost in the second round of the Western Conference playoff?
lol no, but without kobe at the helm they're a completely different team. of course most players would still do it for the money, but to win a championship, you don't really look to a kobe-less lakers team rofl
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is it just me but whenever I see westbrook's face.. i keep thinking of ninja turtles.. zzz
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On May 22 2012 15:03 vasculaR wrote:
is it just me but whenever I see westbrook's face.. i keep thinking of ninja turtles.. zzz
You mean it has nothing to do with the highly visible westbrook pictures, which were probably derived from some recently hugely popular internet meme?
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People switching from Lakers to Spurs: you're not real fans. Spurs have been battling the Lakers for western conference supremacy for a decade. The Lakers have been the modern day Heat, everyone used to say Kobe and Shaq could win with 3 players off the street. The Spurs are a team of Malik Roses and Bruce Bowens just as much as it has been Duncan and Parker.
The Lakers are about Shaq overpowering people in the paint or Kobe calling for an isolation and trying to score with a heroic display of footwork and skill. The Spurs are about Tim Duncan working hard to get position in the paint without the ball, switching on the pick and roll, and (the team) making all the little plays that nobody cares about.
Fanwise they are philosophically incompatible. You can't say you love the Spurs teamwork and unselfishness while blaming Kobe's teammates. The Heat are a more effective version of the Lakers dynamic, so Lakers fans should switch to them ... or OKC. I don't see how Lakers fans could resent Oklahoma, since they swept them from the playoffs two years ago. It's not a rivalry, so there's no betrayal.
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Real talk right here. 
And I'm not just saying that because I think Heat could use a few more fans (though speaking of which, I think they could).
Piece of NBA history right there.
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You're assuming all fandom is based on logical reasoning after careful consideration of all 30 NBA teams, supports a single organization exclusively, and never changes. Obviously that isn't the case. And arguing against someone's fandom is futile, because in essence all fandom is is an opinion.
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On May 22 2012 16:17 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 15:03 vasculaR wrote:
is it just me but whenever I see westbrook's face.. i keep thinking of ninja turtles.. zzz You mean it has nothing to do with the highly visible westbrook pictures, which were probably derived from some recently hugely popular internet meme? .
i've not seen the meme haha
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Part of the reason Lakers fans won't switch to rooting for the Heat is because of the Kobe/LeBron rivalry. There are a lot of Lakers fans that do not want to see LeBron or the Celtics win a championship. With the way the Spurs dismantled 2 teams to get here they certainly have a dominating presence right now. And that's exactly what Lakers fans want to be brought against the East.
Of course, considering how hard the Spurs and Lakers have battled against each other in the past decade, there is more concrete evidence to hate the Spurs than LeBron. But that's fandom so what are you gonna do?
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On May 22 2012 15:03 vasculaR wrote:
is it just me but whenever I see westbrook's face.. i keep thinking of ninja turtles.. zzz
No it's not just you I have always thought that exact same thing. He looks like a turtle
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On May 22 2012 21:10 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 15:03 vasculaR wrote:
is it just me but whenever I see westbrook's face.. i keep thinking of ninja turtles.. zzz No it's not just you I have always thought that exact same thing. He looks like a turtle
Truly a hero [in a half shell] last night
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lol, totally new that was coming. i had to re-watch it last night after he did that.
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On May 22 2012 19:04 Arolis wrote:
Part of the reason Lakers fans won't switch to rooting for the Heat is because of the Kobe/LeBron rivalry. There are a lot of Lakers fans that do not want to see LeBron or the Celtics win a championship. With the way the Spurs dismantled 2 teams to get here they certainly have a dominating presence right now. And that's exactly what Lakers fans want to be brought against the East.
Of course, considering how hard the Spurs and Lakers have battled against each other in the past decade, there is more concrete evidence to hate the Spurs than LeBron. But that's fandom so what are you gonna do?
I disagree. I've been living in LA for the past decade so I've been cheering for the Lakers even though I'm ambivalent about some of the teams they fielded. That said, I respect the Spurs as a rival. That was a good, healthy rivalry for the NBA. The Spurs play the right way and conduct themselves the right way. Popovich is a good coach with a good sense of humor. Who can forget Duncan's DNP-Old this year? Once when Shaq was with the Suns, he complained about Pop's hack-a-Shaq strategy. Pop had somebody intentionally foul Shaq on the opening tip-off, then grinned and gave him a two thumbs up. Shaq just laughed.
I'm hoping the Spurs or Thunder win the championship this year. The Heat and Celtics can DIAFF.
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LOL, I laughed pretty hard when I saw that last night when watching the game. There are so many memes going around. I chuckled when I saw this.
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On May 22 2012 16:17 igotmyown wrote:
People switching from Lakers to Spurs: you're not real fans. Spurs have been battling the Lakers for western conference supremacy for a decade. The Lakers have been the modern day Heat, everyone used to say Kobe and Shaq could win with 3 players off the street. The Spurs are a team of Malik Roses and Bruce Bowens just as much as it has been Duncan and Parker.
The Lakers are about Shaq overpowering people in the paint or Kobe calling for an isolation and trying to score with a heroic display of footwork and skill. The Spurs are about Tim Duncan working hard to get position in the paint without the ball, switching on the pick and roll, and (the team) making all the little plays that nobody cares about.
Fanwise they are philosophically incompatible. You can't say you love the Spurs teamwork and unselfishness while blaming Kobe's teammates. The Heat are a more effective version of the Lakers dynamic, so Lakers fans should switch to them ... or OKC. I don't see how Lakers fans could resent Oklahoma, since they swept them from the playoffs two years ago. It's not a rivalry, so there's no betrayal.
Not a Laker fan at all, just a Kobe fan. I'm not exactly a "die-hard" fan of any team, if anything I'm a fan of the players on the team rather than the overall team. The Spurs are the definition of a basketball team and of course I love them for that. Not everything's based on logic  .I don't see a problem being both a fan of a team with one of my favorite basketball players ever on its roster and also rooting for another team from the same conference.
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I think most people have a favorite team or two and then have a list of people they don't want to win in descending order.
My new conspiracy theory is that Danny Green takes an alchemical potion before each Pacers game to tap into his evil side and transform into Danny Granger.
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Like Andrewlt said, the Spurs are a team who most people respect for doing things the right way. If you are looking at them as an organization that is.
Even so I want to answer the original post because it was just so off-base and actually ignited me to respond :p.. I could try to answer in a general sense, but I am mostly answering from a basketball-fan point of view.
On May 22 2012 16:17 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 15:03 vasculaR wrote:
is it just me but whenever I see westbrook's face.. i keep thinking of ninja turtles.. zzz You mean it has nothing to do with the highly visible westbrook pictures, which were probably derived from some recently hugely popular internet meme? --- People switching from Lakers to Spurs: you're not real fans. Spurs have been battling the Lakers for western conference supremacy for a decade. The Lakers have been the modern day Heat, everyone used to say Kobe and Shaq could win with 3 players off the street. The Spurs are a team of Malik Roses and Bruce Bowens just as much as it has been Duncan and Parker.
I don't know what you mean by "switching", but just wanting a team you feel that exemplifies championship basketball, the Spurs, doesn't mean you are "switching" the Lakers for the Spurs. One is out, one is still in the run, simple as that. If I didn't think the Spurs were playing great basketball or didn't deserve to win, then I would probably not care who won.
I don't get "The Spurs are a team of Malik Roses and Bruce Bowens just as much as it has been Duncan and Parker." So the Lakers role players haven't mattered? Glen Rice, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Harper, Fisher, etc. If you look at the 2000-2004 rosters, the Lakers had stacked teams, with some great role players. If you are saying one is big-market and one is small-market, well duh.
But the only way the Lakers are the modern-day Heat is b/c Shaq chose to sign with LA (massive contract back then) and Kobe said he only wanted to play as a Laker before the draft. Their two stars chose where to go, just like the Heat. Getting Shaq was a major haul but trading for Kobe's draft rights wasn't at all like the modern-day Heat. Three established stars, with arguably the two best players at the time joined forces in Miami. Shaq was a beast, but Kobe was not an established star at all. They still had to build the team and it was a few years before you could say Shaq and kobe could win it with nobodies (which we all know is not true, ever).
Which is more work than Spurs had to do when they got Duncan btw. Robinson got injured so Spurs lucked out by getting Duncan, then won the championship his rookie year..
The Lakers are about Shaq overpowering people in the paint or Kobe calling for an isolation and trying to score with a heroic display of footwork and skill. The Spurs are about Tim Duncan working hard to get position in the paint without the ball, switching on the pick and roll, and (the team) making all the little plays that nobody cares about.
Lol, this made me laugh. So the triangle offense had nothing to do with anything? Shaq wasn't a beast at positioning? Shaq was a smart player, don't let his personality, power and size fool you. "Making all the little plays that nobody cares about" is just a dumb statement. No teams win it without hustling for "all the little plays that nobody cares about".
Fanwise they are philosophically incompatible. You can't say you love the Spurs teamwork and unselfishness while blaming Kobe's teammates. The Heat are a more effective version of the Lakers dynamic, so Lakers fans should switch to them ... or OKC. I don't see how Lakers fans could resent Oklahoma, since they swept them from the playoffs two years ago. It's not a rivalry, so there's no betrayal. This paragraph is so wrong in my case. "philosophically incompatible"? C'mon you said it yourself that they have been battling for western supremacy for the past decade. When I think of the old-school teams still remaining, it really is only the Spurs & Lakers now. Both Lakers and Spurs are great teams because they have great front-office management, and that is the truth. They might have different philosophies and market sizes, but they are both at the top when it comes to NBA organizations.
As for "You can't say you love the Spurs teamwork and unselfishness while blaming Kobe's teammates" is just dumb. The Lakers loss can be blamed on everyone. If people are blaming Kobe's teammates then they are dumb. If they are blaming Kobe, then they are still dumb. Their offense broke down many times in that series, specially when OKC fronted Bynum on the entry pass to the post. They looked terrible at stretches. I have never really been a Kobe fan (I have said it many times here) but I have came to respect him for his night-in, night-out effort over the last two years specifically, which is something that carries over with me when I say I want SAS to win.
I don' think anyone resents OKC, at least I don't. They are a great young team. If I don't want them to win it is because they are so young and just feel that they don't deserve to win it yet out of respect for past NBA champions. Young teams don't really ever win, and with a lot of the NBA changing lately, I hope that isn't something that also changes with it.
As for the Heat, the Lakers fans relate to them just because they have so many haters everywhere lol. Fans and teams acting like they won the championship when they simply beat these teams is just plain out satisfying to their real fans though.
edit:Duncan and Spurs actually won it his second year(lock-out shortened), not his rookie year.
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Nobody is talking about the C's but if KG was at his 2004 level they would sweep all the way to a Ship'. Granted that is a what "if"
I still think they have a very realistic shot at beating Miami, but neither team will beat Spurs or OKC i feel.
Unless LeBron reaches some sort of superman level of play, he literally cannot play better than he already is
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lol now I look uneducated in basketball (which I am) I'll just keep reading and shut up when I don't know anything  really interesting stuff ^^
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No one is a Laker fan when they lose. I dont know why anyone cares who they root for, its always another bandwagon.
Kind of sad LA curled up and died. Was hoping for more action out of that set. W/e I guess they cant be coached atm.
Cant wait for Spurs epic meltdown and dismantling of their 'fanbase'. It was fun while it lasted.
Heat needs to beat scrubs from Indiana, otherwise East finals will be lacking.
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