Bully Victim stabbed Bully to Death - Page 29

On January 10 2012 23:53 Geiko wrote:


Self-defense isn't about what he could have done before hand, it's about a situation. At a certain time, he was being surrounded by 10 people that were physically threatening him, in the same way as a random guy on the street.

In one case, because you "could have done" something about it, you should let yourself get beat up, and in the other case it's ok to defend yourself ?

On January 10 2012 23:54 Caryc wrote:

not saying u r necessarily wrong with the stabbing 12 times statement (which is a problem but we dont know how it actually happened)

but what message would u prefer then?
go bullies,if u know ur victims just make them fear death all day everyday?

btw there is a difference between getting bullied (throwing pens..) and actually getting attacked..
what are you gonna tell the police?
"yeah that guy throws pens at me all the time,i guess he wants to kill me!"

not knowing every detail of the case i think its ok how it went.

On January 10 2012 23:41 Jibba wrote:
I'm curious what the bus driver had been doing the whole time. From the sounds of it, Nuno and his friends were continually disruptive and shouldn't have been allowed on the bus anymore, and they had to have known Nuno was getting off at the wrong spot, purposefully to follow Saavedra.

On January 10 2012 23:50 Shafanhow wrote:

Not just like any other dead kid, this kid being dead means that he won't sadistically ruin the quality of god knows how many more poor unfortunates lives. Whether it's his "fault" or not is irrelevant. I'd rather he could change. Obviously he enjoyed what he was doing to much to change because he did it for a year, just in this case.

On January 11 2012 00:02 shizna wrote:


well having read a longer version of this story... this is clearly not the case.

the kid who died was not a long-time bully of the 'victim'. he was a popular kid who was mean to the freshman kids. people testified saying he did not want to fight, but one thing led to another and he punched the kid on the back of the head... and he gets stabbed to death in retaliation.

YAY... SCORE ONE FOR THE BULLY VICTIM! or not.

in this case, the 'victim' could quite easily be the bully. the murderer seems like a deeply disturbed person.... and his family/friends should keep a close eye on him. from my POV he's quite literally got away with murder.

On January 11 2012 00:00 MavivaM wrote:
I find impossible for someone to say "oh, the bully had it coming so who cares. If anything, hooray since there's a bad guy less in town"

Guys, we are not talking about countries in a civil war where respect and humanity are, more often, a luxury than a right.
We are talking about a country where most of the people should live at least decently, where laws can help you and where people can find better solutions than killing people.

If you carry a weapon with yourself you are ready to use it, period.
And if you use a weapon, you should be fully aware of what it implies.

There are several ways to solve bullying problems or at least to oppose to them: there are teachers and parents.
If you feel ashamed of calling them there are friends.
And even if you feel that you have to fight back since sometimes violence can't be avoided, there are better ways than stabbing people.

Usually bullies can be cruel, but they aren't omnipotent.
If not only because they live up to specific social standards that can be exploited, or because often they are easily scared by people who fight back.
One can say that "man up" is the right solution, if something right exists.

This kid can have all of my sympathy, it must have been extremely hard for him to live like that.
But the moment he decided to carry a weapon with him, or the moment he decided to stab the other boy he stepped on a level several times worse than the one of the bully.

People shouldn't get shit everyday.
Some people shouldn't be humiliated, beaten, made fun of just for being themselves.
It's not the way the world should work, but that's how it is.
I think that laws sometimes can be a valid tool to change this course of the things, and if someone want to tell me that I am too idealistic... please let me tell you one more thing.

People shouldn't get shit everyday and so on, but in the unpleaseant possibility of this event people are supposed to grow up, face their problems and eventually solve them.
Not carrying a weapon and then saying to themselves "Oh well, I am being bullied and life sucks, but instead of trying to solve my problems with a different approach I have bought this knife. If the bully comes to me I'll stab him in the stomach because after all he deserves it and I didn't ask for anything."

It's pretty obvious that the bully will come and I can't believe that this kid couldn't know it. After all if someone never reacts before I don't see why he should do otherwise.
He didn't follow the bully in a dark alley to stab him, but this is homicide anyways.

Again I have a lot of sympathy for this kid, and as far as I can know according to a simple thread his fault was more being stupid, coward and desperate enough at the same time than anything else.
But no one forced him to buy a weapon and use it, and thanks to this there's a teen in a coffin and a couple of families destroyed.

The judge bullshitted her way to save this kid from prison since she knew that it would have been completely pointless if not dangerous for him... humanly I agree but it's not fair.
If you want to fight bullism you sentence bullies to civil volunteering and not letting a kid who has killed a bully go away unpunished.
What kind of message is that?
...or if you are a parent, you help your child making friends and grow up.

Seriously: some of us, probably a lot of us have faced some kind of troubles back at school.
Looking back at then, tell me that they weren't somehow solvable or that they didn't make you grow up a little...
Not pleaseant for sure, even I have some really hateful memories of my school period but back at then I fought back without killing anyone.
It would be nice to hear if there are any bullying victims here and how did they solve their problem.

On January 11 2012 00:01 Miss_Cleo wrote:



So Jose absolutely only had two choices: get beat up or stab someone to death?


And he knew enough about that certain time prior to it happening that he was able to take a knife with him on the day.

On January 11 2012 00:01 Miss_Cleo wrote:



So Jose absolutely only had two choices: get beat up or stab someone to death?


And he knew enough about that certain time prior to it happening that he was able to take a knife with him on the day.

On January 11 2012 00:00 MavivaM wrote:
I find impossible for someone to say "oh, the bully had it coming so who cares. If anything, hooray since there's a bad guy less in town"

Guys, we are not talking about countries in a civil war where respect and humanity are, more often, a luxury than a right.
We are talking about a country where most of the people should live at least decently, where laws can help you and where people can find better solutions than killing people.

If you carry a weapon with yourself you are ready to use it, period.
And if you use a weapon, you should be fully aware of what it implies.

There are several ways to solve bullying problems or at least to oppose to them: there are teachers and parents.
If you feel ashamed of calling them there are friends.
And even if you feel that you have to fight back since sometimes violence can't be avoided, there are better ways than stabbing people.

Usually bullies can be cruel, but they aren't omnipotent.
If not only because they live up to specific social standards that can be exploited, or because often they are easily scared by people who fight back.
One can say that "man up" is the right solution, if something right exists.

This kid can have all of my sympathy, it must have been extremely hard for him to live like that.
But the moment he decided to carry a weapon with him, or the moment he decided to stab the other boy he stepped on a level several times worse than the one of the bully.

People shouldn't get shit everyday.
Some people shouldn't be humiliated, beaten, made fun of just for being themselves.
It's not the way the world should work, but that's how it is.
I think that laws sometimes can be a valid tool to change this course of the things, and if someone want to tell me that I am too idealistic... please let me tell you one more thing.

People shouldn't get shit everyday and so on, but in the unpleaseant possibility of this event people are supposed to grow up, face their problems and eventually solve them.
Not carrying a weapon and then saying to themselves "Oh well, I am being bullied and life sucks, but instead of trying to solve my problems with a different approach I have bought this knife. If the bully comes to me I'll stab him in the stomach because after all he deserves it and I didn't ask for anything."

It's pretty obvious that the bully will come and I can't believe that this kid couldn't know it. After all if someone never reacts before I don't see why he should do otherwise.
He didn't follow the bully in a dark alley to stab him, but this is homicide anyways.

Again I have a lot of sympathy for this kid, and as far as I can know according to a simple thread his fault was more being stupid, coward and desperate enough at the same time than anything else.
But no one forced him to buy a weapon and use it, and thanks to this there's a teen in a coffin and a couple of families destroyed.

The judge bullshitted her way to save this kid from prison since she knew that it would have been completely pointless if not dangerous for him... humanly I agree but it's not fair.
If you want to fight bullism you sentence bullies to civil volunteering and not letting a kid who has killed a bully go away unpunished.
What kind of message is that?
...or if you are a parent, you help your child making friends and grow up.

Seriously: some of us, probably a lot of us have faced some kind of troubles back at school.
Looking back at then, tell me that they weren't somehow solvable or that they didn't make you grow up a little...
Not pleaseant for sure, even I have some really hateful memories of my school period but back at then I fought back without killing anyone.
It would be nice to hear if there are any bullying victims here and how did they solve their problem.

On January 11 2012 00:02 shizna wrote:


well having read a longer version of this story... this is clearly not the case.

the kid who died was not a long-time bully of the 'victim'. he was a popular kid who was mean to the freshman kids. people testified saying he did not want to fight, but one thing led to another and he punched the kid on the back of the head... and he gets stabbed to death in retaliation.

YAY... SCORE ONE FOR THE BULLY VICTIM! or not.

in this case, the 'victim' could quite easily be the bully. the murderer seems like a deeply disturbed person.... and his family/friends should keep a close eye on him. from my POV he's quite literally got away with murder.

On January 11 2012 00:00 MavivaM wrote:
I find impossible for someone to say "oh, the bully had it coming so who cares. If anything, hooray since there's a bad guy less in town"

Guys, we are not talking about countries in a civil war where respect and humanity are, more often, a luxury than a right.
We are talking about a country where most of the people should live at least decently, where laws can help you and where people can find better solutions than killing people.

If you carry a weapon with yourself you are ready to use it, period.
And if you use a weapon, you should be fully aware of what it implies.

There are several ways to solve bullying problems or at least to oppose to them: there are teachers and parents.
If you feel ashamed of calling them there are friends.
And even if you feel that you have to fight back since sometimes violence can't be avoided, there are better ways than stabbing people.

Usually bullies can be cruel, but they aren't omnipotent.
If not only because they live up to specific social standards that can be exploited, or because often they are easily scared by people who fight back.
One can say that "man up" is the right solution, if something right exists.

This kid can have all of my sympathy, it must have been extremely hard for him to live like that.
But the moment he decided to carry a weapon with him, or the moment he decided to stab the other boy he stepped on a level several times worse than the one of the bully.

People shouldn't get shit everyday.
Some people shouldn't be humiliated, beaten, made fun of just for being themselves.
It's not the way the world should work, but that's how it is.
I think that laws sometimes can be a valid tool to change this course of the things, and if someone want to tell me that I am too idealistic... please let me tell you one more thing.

People shouldn't get shit everyday and so on, but in the unpleaseant possibility of this event people are supposed to grow up, face their problems and eventually solve them.
Not carrying a weapon and then saying to themselves "Oh well, I am being bullied and life sucks, but instead of trying to solve my problems with a different approach I have bought this knife. If the bully comes to me I'll stab him in the stomach because after all he deserves it and I didn't ask for anything."

It's pretty obvious that the bully will come and I can't believe that this kid couldn't know it. After all if someone never reacts before I don't see why he should do otherwise.
He didn't follow the bully in a dark alley to stab him, but this is homicide anyways.

Again I have a lot of sympathy for this kid, and as far as I can know according to a simple thread his fault was more being stupid, coward and desperate enough at the same time than anything else.
But no one forced him to buy a weapon and use it, and thanks to this there's a teen in a coffin and a couple of families destroyed.

The judge bullshitted her way to save this kid from prison since she knew that it would have been completely pointless if not dangerous for him... humanly I agree but it's not fair.
If you want to fight bullism you sentence bullies to civil volunteering and not letting a kid who has killed a bully go away unpunished.
What kind of message is that?
...or if you are a parent, you help your child making friends and grow up.

Seriously: some of us, probably a lot of us have faced some kind of troubles back at school.
Looking back at then, tell me that they weren't somehow solvable or that they didn't make you grow up a little...
Not pleaseant for sure, even I have some really hateful memories of my school period but back at then I fought back without killing anyone.
It would be nice to hear if there are any bullying victims here and how did they solve their problem.

On January 11 2012 00:06 Hesmyrr wrote:
Justifiable self-defense, sickening apathy toward the human life- bullied and the bully. To frame the situation on another words, these people who triumphantly rejoice at the death would by extension injudiciously hand death penalty to anyone who committed any crime equal to or greater than act of the bullying. I just might be able to accept this particular case of stabbing should not be punishable, but that does not mean I have to freaking ravish over how the attack was awesome, the divine hammer of retribution.