EPTBully Victim stabbed Bully to Death - Page 28
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FunnyPicture
Sweden147 Posts
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
as someone who got bullied a bit (not nearly this much, and never physically) at school...I can only say that it feels justified that this kid can avoid murder charges on this one. although the best solution to this problem is not what happened, it's good to know that the justice system recognizes that the kid was merely defending himself and was not out for blood. | ||
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Geiko
France1936 Posts
The fact that he was a student and knew his aggressor somewhat makes it not okay to defend himself ? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Lounge
537 Posts
Some notes I thought were of interest: Both kids decided to get off at a stop that was not their own. Saavedra had learning disabilities. There was testimony that Nuno didn't want to fight, but others told Saavedra he did, and he punch him in the back of the head. Saavedra showed the knife off to two others at school. It also goes a little into their personal lives but I was mostly looking for details of the altercation. All in all it seems like a culmination of events that resulted in a death that could have been avoided. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:37 paralleluniverse wrote: I would agree that perhaps more could have been done to prevent bullying in the first place. Or to prevent the situation from escalating to this unfortunate point. However, bullying seems to be one of those problems which no one has figured out how to fix. Difficult to, because the victim is often too embarrassed to ask anyone for help about it | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:39 FunnyPicture wrote: I think murder is murder, he clearly planned on it considering he brought a deadly weapon to school. He was told that a group was going to bash him, so he brought a knife in the event that he would need to use it to defend himself. And he rightfully used it when we was beaten up. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:40 Geiko wrote: If this had been a normal guy walking in the streets and being assaulted by 10 strangers, everyone would have agreed that it was self defense. The fact that he was a student and knew his aggressor somewhat makes it not okay to defend himself ? Two different situations. Guy on the street really has no chance to avoid the assault. Jose was bullied for a year before this happened, more than enough time to seek help, and prevent things from escalating. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
Seriously, this kid needs help... I mean, what is the message this actually gives to all the bully victims? Go stab your bullies, it's fine? Oh what a bright future this will be... | ||
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Silencioseu
Cyprus493 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
Didn't he already tell them he had a knife, but they still attacked him? He got off the bus and was struck in the back of the head... It wasn't just one person, but a group... He had to defend himself with some way or form, and by promptly producing a elegant knife from the vaults, it enabled him to defeat the bully in one fell swoop. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:46 Velr wrote: He "rightfully" stabbed a guy 12 times? Seriously, this kid needs help... I mean, what is the message this actually gives to all the bully victims? Go stab your bullies, it's fine? Oh what a bright future this will be... We really don't know what a stab is in this case. It said only two of the stabs did any damage, he could've just been flailing around with a swiss army knife. The other kids didn't realize he had a knife until Nuno said he had been stabbed, so I'm guessing it was something small like a swiss army knife. | ||
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:48 nalgene wrote: His death was a necessary loss. Gibbets and crows. Rejoice for those around you. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Didn't he already tell them he had a knife, but they still attacked him? He got off the bus and was struck in the back of the head... It wasn't just one person, but a group... He had to defend himself with some way or form, and by promptly producing a elegant knife from the vaults, it enabled him to defeat the bully in one fell swoop. How heroic. He will be telling his grandchildren the tale of the evil bully and how good triumphed over evil. | ||
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Shafanhow
United States47 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:35 shizna wrote: a necessary evil for 'the greater good' ? well other than being a famous quote by various fictitious supervillains, it doesn't mean much to me. there have always been bullies, there will always be bullies. some kids don't mix well with other kids. it's not their fault that they're forced by law to mix with other kids. at the end of the day, bullies don't deserve any sympathy. but if they get murdered, they're not a bully anymore... they're just a dead kid like any other dead kid. Not just like any other dead kid, this kid being dead means that he won't sadistically ruin the quality of god knows how many more poor unfortunates lives. Whether it's his "fault" or not is irrelevant. I'd rather he could change. Obviously he enjoyed what he was doing to much to change because he did it for a year, just in this case. | ||
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mangomango
United States265 Posts
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Geiko
France1936 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:45 Miss_Cleo wrote: Two different situations. Guy on the street really has no chance to avoid the assault. Jose was bullied for a year before this happened, more than enough time to seek help, and prevent things from escalating. Self-defense isn't about what he could have done before hand, it's about a situation. At a certain time, he was being surrounded by 10 people that were physically threatening him, in the same way as a random guy on the street. In one case, because you "could have done" something about it, you should let yourself get beat up, and in the other case it's ok to defend yourself ? | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:46 Velr wrote: He "rightfully" stabbed a guy 12 times? Seriously, this kid needs help... I mean, what is the message this actually gives to all the bully victims? Go stab your bullies, it's fine? Oh what a bright future this will be... not saying u r necessarily wrong with the stabbing 12 times statement (which is a problem but we dont know how it actually happened) but what message would u prefer then? go bullies,if u know ur victims just make them fear death all day everyday? btw there is a difference between getting bullied (throwing pens..) and actually getting attacked.. what are you gonna tell the police? "yeah that guy throws pens at me all the time,i guess he wants to kill me!" not knowing every detail of the case i think its ok how it went. | ||
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Northern_iight
Canada363 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:41 Lounge wrote: The original article is actually missing a lot of information, a quick google search for more information and I came across this local one: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/07/jorge-saavedra-dylan-nuno-collier-bus-stop-stabbed/ Some notes I thought were of interest: Both kids decided to get off at a stop that was not their own. Saavedra had learning disabilities. There was testimony that Nuno didn't want to fight, but others told Saavedra he did, and he punch him in the back of the head. Saavedra showed the knife off to two others at school. It also goes a little into their personal lives but I was mostly looking for details of the altercation. All in all it seems like a culmination of events that resulted in a death that could have been avoided. if that is true and saavedra has learning disabilities, that's probably the reason why he got off with no charges. Anyone one else would've got some sort of charge. cause bullying is one thing, killing someone else is another. This is a very difficult situation, as many outcomes could have happened with many various consequences. If saavedra told the cops they probably would've done nothing (in my experience). Unless the other person has committed a crime. Bullying though, he could have told school authorities... which gets handled differently by person to person. I once went to a teacher when i was a kid cuz someone was hassling me and they told me to let it go and don't tell on people cause we're big boys now (I was in grade 6.) But I've also seen times when kids got suspended/expelled for bullying or fighting. I think in the end, it's a lessoned learned and schools everywhere have to realize bullying happens all the time. Teachers in the school have to take initiative to address the issue, discourage it, and help people who come to them. | ||
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Pecul
Sweden116 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:39 FunnyPicture wrote: I think murder is murder, he clearly planned on it considering he brought a deadly weapon to school. That's a baseless assumption... Overall, I definitely agree with the judge. Edit: On January 10 2012 23:41 Lounge wrote: The original article is actually missing a lot of information, a quick google search for more information and I came across this local one: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jan/07/jorge-saavedra-dylan-nuno-collier-bus-stop-stabbed/ Some notes I thought were of interest: Both kids decided to get off at a stop that was not their own. Saavedra had learning disabilities. There was testimony that Nuno didn't want to fight, but others told Saavedra he did, and he punch him in the back of the head. Saavedra showed the knife off to two others at school. It also goes a little into their personal lives but I was mostly looking for details of the altercation. All in all it seems like a culmination of events that resulted in a death that could have been avoided. If this is true, I would probably change my mind. | ||
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