EPTBully Victim stabbed Bully to Death - Page 30
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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vijeze
Netherlands719 Posts
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FADCoUltra
Canada73 Posts
Yes, been bullied is a horrible thing, I was bullied when I was a kid too. But I don't believe it warrants a response with deadly force. Sure the bully is beating him up, but I don't think it was anywhere near in resulting serious bodily harm or permanant injuries. Yeah there might serious mental damage, but you can't just kill someone for punching you in the face. He did act in self-defence, but just went across the line. This should be man-slaughter for sure, killed in a moment of rage. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:25 InFdude wrote: No it didn't.It saved him a beating.The kid is 100% a murderer in my eyes.Think about it for just 1 second, he prefered to just try to stab his way out of the fight instead of telling his parents or the teacher or someone.1 school fight is nothing.Kids fight all the time.He CHOSE to go the way of the knife instead of humiliating (in his eyes ) himself by asking for help some grown up.In my eyes anyone who would prefer to try to stab his way out of a beating instead of doing something else should go to jail.That's exactly where he belongs, where people stab each other. Going to authorities for bullies usually results in nothing positive. The best you can do is try to avoid it, and inevitably when you can't, defend yourself. You also don't seem to understand the difference between a 1 on 1 school fight and 8 on 1 beating. On January 11 2012 00:28 FADCoUltra wrote: I'm going to have to agree with some of the folks here. I don't think the killing is justified. Yes, been bullied is a horrible thing, I was bullied when I was a kid too. But I don't believe it warrants a response with deadly force. Sure the bully is beating him up, but I don't think it was anywhere near in resulting serious bodily harm or permanant injuries. Yeah there might serious mental damage, but you can't just kill someone for punching you in the face. He did act in self-defence, but just went across the line. This should be man-slaughter for sure, killed in a moment of rage. Any fight can result in serious bodily harm. If you are being attacked, you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself unless there are specific circumstances that allow you to be more judicial, such as being a police officer or highly trained martial artist. | ||
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:25 InFdude wrote: No it didn't.It saved him a beating.The kid is 100% a murderer in my eyes.Think about it for just 1 second, he prefered to just try to stab his way out of the fight instead of telling his parents or the teacher or someone.1 school fight is nothing.Kids fight all the time.He CHOSE to go the way of the knife instead of humiliating (in his eyes ) himself by asking for help some grown up.In my eyes anyone who would prefer to try to stab his way out of a beating instead of doing something else should go to jail.That's exactly where he belongs, where people stab each other. Your post is actually the disgusting arrogance that is held by teachers and other members of authority which allows this shit to happen, I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself and realise how mindless you've just made yourself appear. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43764 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:25 InFdude wrote: No it didn't.It saved him a beating.The kid is 100% a murderer in my eyes.Think about it for just 1 second, he prefered to just try to stab his way out of the fight instead of telling his parents or the teacher or someone.1 school fight is nothing.Kids fight all the time.He CHOSE to go the way of the knife instead of humiliating (in his eyes ) himself by asking for help some grown up.In my eyes anyone who would prefer to try to stab his way out of a beating instead of doing something else should go to jail.That's exactly where he belongs, where people stab each other. 1 school fight? The kid was bullied and harrassed for over a year, in and out of school. An entire group of kids followed the boy onto a bus and to a friend's house. They stalked him and then beat the fucking shit out of him. They didn't just *push him into a locker* and walk away. When you're being physically assaulted, you need to be able to protect yourself physically- fight or flight. And he couldn't run. He was absolutely justified in stopping his attacker any way he could. That's why there's a law protecting killing in self-defense. On January 11 2012 00:33 InFdude wrote: And you obviously can't understand someone DIED.He got bullied bu hu big deal.Killing for being bullied is now ok what next? May be one day when you are making too much noise I'll come and massacre your entire family and then say I need my sleep or it might have negative effects on my health. Strawman argument is terrible. How do you sleep at night? | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote: rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen He was 14. And he should be "forward thinking"? His forward thinking was being prepared for a weapon for defense, and telling his bully he didn't want to fight. In the real world, sadly, people sometimes die. Knee Jerking and screaming about murder every time it happens means you aren't actually possessing the mental capacity to look at each case individually. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:33 InFdude wrote: And you obviously can't understand someone DIED.He got bullied bu hu big deal.Killing for being bullied is now ok what next? May be one day when you are making too much noise I'll come and massacre your entire family and then say I need my sleep or it might have negative effects on my health. You're a moron if you think being a nuisance and physically assaulting someone are even remotely similar. User was warned for this post | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
fighting f**king happens, provoked or unprovoked it doesn't justify stabbing someone 12 times in the chest and abdomen! not only a case of injustice, but also letting a potential psycho loose into society. it's beyond belief, it's like reading 'norman bates: the school years'. | ||
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Shafanhow
United States47 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:28 FADCoUltra wrote: I'm going to have to agree with some of the folks here. I don't think the killing is justified. Yes, been bullied is a horrible thing, I was bullied when I was a kid too. But I don't believe it warrants a response with deadly force. Sure the bully is beating him up, but I don't think it was anywhere near in resulting serious bodily harm or permanant injuries. Yeah there might serious mental damage, but you can't just kill someone for punching you in the face. He did act in self-defence, but just went across the line. This should be man-slaughter for sure, killed in a moment of rage. Just out of curiosity, how do you know what was going through Jorge's mind at the time of the incident? You say rage. I say justifiable panick. Also, when you say you can't kill a person who's punching you in the face, speak for yourself buddy. | ||
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MavivaM
1535 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:19 Xiron wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2012 00:00 MavivaM wrote: I find impossible for someone to say "oh, the bully had it coming so who cares. If anything, hooray since there's a bad guy less in town" Guys, we are not talking about countries in a civil war where respect and humanity are, more often, a luxury than a right. We are talking about a country where most of the people should live at least decently, where laws can help you and where people can find better solutions than killing people. If you carry a weapon with yourself you are ready to use it, period. And if you use a weapon, you should be fully aware of what it implies. There are several ways to solve bullying problems or at least to oppose to them: there are teachers and parents. If you feel ashamed of calling them there are friends. And even if you feel that you have to fight back since sometimes violence can't be avoided, there are better ways than stabbing people. Usually bullies can be cruel, but they aren't omnipotent. If not only because they live up to specific social standards that can be exploited, or because often they are easily scared by people who fight back. One can say that "man up" is the right solution, if something right exists. This kid can have all of my sympathy, it must have been extremely hard for him to live like that. But the moment he decided to carry a weapon with him, or the moment he decided to stab the other boy he stepped on a level several times worse than the one of the bully. People shouldn't get shit everyday. Some people shouldn't be humiliated, beaten, made fun of just for being themselves. It's not the way the world should work, but that's how it is. I think that laws sometimes can be a valid tool to change this course of the things, and if someone want to tell me that I am too idealistic... please let me tell you one more thing. People shouldn't get shit everyday and so on, but in the unpleaseant possibility of this event people are supposed to grow up, face their problems and eventually solve them. Not carrying a weapon and then saying to themselves "Oh well, I am being bullied and life sucks, but instead of trying to solve my problems with a different approach I have bought this knife. If the bully comes to me I'll stab him in the stomach because after all he deserves it and I didn't ask for anything." It's pretty obvious that the bully will come and I can't believe that this kid couldn't know it. After all if someone never reacts before I don't see why he should do otherwise. He didn't follow the bully in a dark alley to stab him, but this is homicide anyways. Again I have a lot of sympathy for this kid, and as far as I can know according to a simple thread his fault was more being stupid, coward and desperate enough at the same time than anything else. But no one forced him to buy a weapon and use it, and thanks to this there's a teen in a coffin and a couple of families destroyed. The judge bullshitted her way to save this kid from prison since she knew that it would have been completely pointless if not dangerous for him... humanly I agree but it's not fair. If you want to fight bullism you sentence bullies to civil volunteering and not letting a kid who has killed a bully go away unpunished. What kind of message is that? ...or if you are a parent, you help your child making friends and grow up. Seriously: some of us, probably a lot of us have faced some kind of troubles back at school. Looking back at then, tell me that they weren't somehow solvable or that they didn't make you grow up a little... Not pleaseant for sure, even I have some really hateful memories of my school period but back at then I fought back without killing anyone. It would be nice to hear if there are any bullying victims here and how did they solve their problem. You are right in that it deliveres the wrong image, but in my opinion that boy did the right. Of course, using a weapon means you are aware of the fact that you could kill someone. But I cannot imagine what he should have done differently. I mean, he had no chance to avoid being surrounded by bullies, as that could happen everywhere, anytime in school, before school and after school. They were older, which makes them alot more powerful. It's not about 1 guy versus 1 guy of the same age. He knew that he was up against like 6-8(?) older guys. Nobody could help him in that situation but himself. Atleast where I come from, Anti-bullying by teachers and parents is useless. In the end, the boy will get ridiculed more, because he showed weakness. It's sad that the bully died, he should have learned from the experience and faced serious consequences. He didn't deserve to die, because bullys often times are bullys because of their social environment and not because they are just plain evil. Personally I believe that anti-bullying from teachers and parents it's not completely pointless. Unless we talk about guys who go to the bully just to tell him "you bad bad guy, now stop it or I'll get reeeealy mad" or people who just let it go by the evergreen "they are just kids". There are other, and imo better, ways to help bully victims: the error is that people focus on the anti-bullying as something 100% related to the bully, while it simply is not. It may sound cheesy, but without a victim there's not a bully. It's 50/50. Let's say that you are a victim: why are you like that? Has anyone ever considered the reason why someone becomes a bully victim? For some exceptions it's because of things that can hardly be avoided: people with strange physical appeareance, sexual orientation (particularly in some countries) and so on, but the main reasons keep being the same for everyone. 1 being awkward 2 do not fight back I say that if your parents can help you to work on those weak points instead of going to scold the bully and make you look even more ridiculous you will benefit from it. Most of the time the awkwardness comes from inexperience. You do not know how to interact with people since you do not often interact with people. Therefore, the moment you have to interact not only with someone, but with someone unfriendly everything goes down to the drain. But what about this: at school you are bullied by X who is a complete asshole and likes to ruin your life. But when school is over you go to, let's say a football school where no one knows you and you have all the time in the world to make new friends between people who don't know you and don't have any preconcept about you. Where you can build up your confidence. Or what about a karate gym, or things like that. Bullying comes because a victim feels completely unsuited for a "group life", the moment your image starts to change things will follow. Then, when you'll be "stronger" (physically, psychologically, socially skilled or whatever) things will be different. Let's not forget that the events in the OP happened because no one did anything in more than a year. It's obvious that if you let things snowball you can't hope to fix everything with a couple of bravery acts. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:36 InFdude wrote: You just cyber bullied me by insulting me.That could affect my mental health.Can I come and murder you now? Quit making horrible, obtuse arguments. Being physically assaulted is what allows you to defend yourself with potential lethal force. Being insulted or verbally harassed is not physical assault. | ||
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Rednaxela_19
United States150 Posts
Edit: Can anyone tell me how many times he stabbed him? I read 12 earlier in this post but I am realllllly, really hoping that is not true. Then he is 100% a murderer in my eyes. | ||
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Shafanhow
United States47 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:38 shizna wrote: yeah, if this kind of retaliation is justified... hell... i could have killed at least 4-5 people through my school years and get let off the hook. fighting f**king happens, provoked or unprovoked it doesn't justify stabbing someone 12 times in the chest and abdomen! not only a case of injustice, but also letting a potential psycho loose into society. The real psycho died. Sad but true. | ||
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Shafanhow
United States47 Posts
On January 11 2012 00:38 shizna wrote: yeah, if this kind of retaliation is justified... hell... i could have killed at least 4-5 people through my school years and get let off the hook. fighting f**king happens, provoked or unprovoked it doesn't justify stabbing someone 12 times in the chest and abdomen! not only a case of injustice, but also letting a potential psycho loose into society. it's beyond belief, it's like reading 'norman bates: the school years'. Norman Bates stabbed a naked lady taking a shower. This kid stabbed a thug who was punching him in the head while he tried to run away. | ||
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teaCher
Canada521 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9341 Posts
IF somebody broke into your house and threatened to kill you would you A) Rather have a gun, B) Not have a gun. Question 2: A) would you shoot him? B) Would you not shoot him and let him beat you up and possibly kill you?. Serisouly some ppl have just been manipulated too much through school and their parents (and i kinda blame the evil governments for this), to make them think that acting in self defense is not justified. | ||
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