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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote: How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. Read what you just said again, HE had nothing to gain but the other player did... In the nani case, neither nestea or nani had anything to gain. And cheat was never the correct word choice. | ||
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote: How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. coca didnt gain, but his friend could. losing so your friend can advancd is matchfixing no? And it was his team slayers that punished him. Gom did nothing | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:14 Femari wrote: GOM can deny whoever they want. Code S is a privelage, not a right. You fuck up then you lose it. Naniwa threw a game which he himself agreed to play. He in turn made himself look bad in addition to making GOM look bad for having him in the tournament. You throw a game, you're punished. It's how the world should be. Probe rushing =/= throwing game Its just a Cheesy Strategy. | ||
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ClassyMcderp
Sweden7 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:13 Ghanburighan wrote: Living up to your name. In fact, looking through the thread you see that this opinion is exacerbated by a large number of other incentives to win (just not winning the tournament). Like what? That he got paid even if he lost? Then they should have stated that clearly before all matches were played that every game was important, and even if the game doesn't matter you cant do a silly strategy to lose quick. Their punishment were way to harsh. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote: How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. It was a tournament, there was money involved, so there was something to gain from. And I think coca/byun was a massive overreaction | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 mprs wrote: That is what you get for being honest and not lie to Nestea/GOM/viewers apparently. Faking an attempt at a game is much more honorable! trying too hard. Just because you're being honest, doesn't make it ok for you to do whatever you want to do. Try telling your jackass boss how you really feel about him, I'm sure he'll just shrug off your hateful comments as long as you're being honest right? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10810 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 mprs wrote: That is what you get for being honest and not lie to Nestea/GOM/viewers apparently. Faking an attempt at a game is much more honorable! No, fucking just playing the game as good as your actual mindset lets you is the thing you do. All else is non professional, spoiled, childish behaviour that got rightfully punished. | ||
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Slanina
35 Posts
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greyconnect
39 Posts
If it's something they feel strongly about, I would have preferred to see them issue a warning to Naniwa and publicly adjust their ruleset to make this sort of play more clearly illegal in their league. It doesn't seem fair that a player just gets the boot because of this sort of pseudo rules infraction. My 2 cents. | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote: How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. By throwing the game Coca let another player(his friend) advance. Naniwa threw a game which didn't mean anything and shoulden't have been played at all. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
I am so apalled, really what's going on? Is this much different from the Huk/mothership incident where he didn't do his best to win? Do people take at as he tried to loose even though he had nothing to win as a mayor offender? If I got this wrong this seems as silly (GOM's and naniwas sides) as can get, just what is going on... | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 HolydaKing wrote: they were kind of forced to do so. after all the twitter bias against naniwa and the korean reactions in general they would look stupid now in korea. not on teamliquid maybe, but i guess they have to live with that. around 40-50% on TL still seem to be okay with it and i'm one of them. I understand perfectly well they were under pressure..but giving in so easily to normal tweeter pressure, not even trying to give a "fair trial" for a matter that apparently got very serious...means they they are not only unprofessional but are very easy to bend to simple pressure witch is very questionable for a "major player" like GOM. Again... "kill first..judge later"...rushing judgments just because of a few tweets tells me everything about GOM's mentality | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:18 Darneck wrote: Read what you just said again, HE had nothing to gain but the other player did... In the nani case, neither nestea or nani had anything to gain. And cheat was never the correct word choice. Okay what did Byun have to gain? The non-existant Code A spot that everyone seems to not realize wasn't on the line because there was no deal for Code A spots for 2012 yet? | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:13 mordk wrote: You're being short sighted... you need to separate 2 things: -Koreans feel offended by this behaviour because they believe competition involves a degree of honor and all that. That's their culture and it's fine (I kind of agree on this point, but I'm not as strict about it). NesTea was probably dissapointed, some fans (me, for example) were dissapointed, the whole point of the tournament (showmatches, no matter if there's money involved, this cup is intended as a "celebration of starcraft") was mocked at. There's a problem, tho. It's not the "Korean Starcraft League", it's the "Global Starcraft League"... even worst, it was not GSL, it was Blizzard Cup, wich have nothing to do about GSL in the first place. It could have been hold anywhere. It was not a Korean tournament, it was a blizzard one. So, what's the point? | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 price wrote: ya this is true, but if it's all about 1) abusive strategies or 2) offending the crowd / audience, then bitbybit should be executed The clause obviously doesn't talk about abusive strategies. Bitbybit was putting in his 110% effort and the evidence is shown by the number of games he has actually taken off people. He was actually behaving more professionally than Naniwa did in that one game. Probe rush is in no shape or form a strategy, not unless you can actually show someone hitting KR master league with the points required to attend the offline qualifiers with that alone. Naniwa had no strategy. It was pretty plain, and he didn't even try to disguise this. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:18 XRaDiiX wrote: Probe rushing =/= throwing game Its just a Cheesy Strategy. probe rushing is throwing away games. There is not a single thing you can beat with a 6 probe rush, and with zero micro at that. | ||
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Limmet
Sweden57 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:05 NHY wrote: Keep reading and you'll find this Did that also happen in Providence? No. So there was no MLG-GSL exchange in Providence. How can so many people miss this? You'd know just from reading it that it is impossible to apply it to providence since there are no championship pools, Yes please continue to ignore all other proof that this was the case while basing your opinion on a press release that obviously is not indepth enough. One doesn't exclude the other. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote: How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. Different situations, and you know it. Coca lost on purpose to allow his opponent a chance to get into Code A, after they talked about it in the middle of the game. Naniwa and Nestea were both 0-3 with no chance for either to advance and no implications for other players. You can totally argue that what he did was wrong, but there are a hundred comparisons in this thread that just don't make any sense. | ||
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