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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Pr0spect
Sweden32 Posts
GSL brand themselves as "GOMTV Global Starcraft II League" not Korean Starleague, so in a sense they should have an more understanding towards foreigners not having the same outlook on the world as them, and not being forced to submit to their culture, cause I haven't seen Koreans being forced to submit to the American culture at MLG or the Swedish at Dreamhack? My take on it. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:09 XRaDiiX wrote: This..... i still don't understand how people think GomTV has ground to revoke his Code S invite when probe rushing is no different than Bombers Manner Mules... or MC's Taunts... because "manner mule" is acceptable in sc1 so it carries over to sc2, it is no longer regarded as true bad manner. While blatantly throwing games like 1-a 6 probes and afk for the next 2 minutes with zero micro is a offense that is equivalent to life ban if naniwa was a Korean | ||
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ChocolateCheese
Swaziland1 Post
On the English rules page it states: Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience. Right below the: Sending chat messages other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' to declare the loss during the game. I don't know Korean but on an older Korean rules page it seems to be equal to the rule that has been used: 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 Now this exact sentence is still on the korean BlizzardCup rules page. I don't know how "Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience." suddenly became translated to "During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours". As there is a very significant difference between the two, perhaps there have been some mistranslation, the one about violent behaviours is from the English Gom site. I also posted this on reddit but it hasn't got any attention. /CC | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
you cant force people to play games . if they throw games is just lose for them nothing more . Rly naniwa put a lot of effort in qualifying for blizzard cup and whatever he wants to do with his hard work is his right . if he wanna throw away all games FINE HE ALREDY WORKED HARD ENOUGH TO GET THOSE GAMES IS HIS RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO WITH THEM . Is like buying a car and the state will force you only to drive " no you cant set on fire your car you cant do anything else then just drive it " . rly ? GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU " FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY " lets go back to comunism . User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
And it's not a "Korean culture" thing. It's a professional thing where employees are expected to fulfill more than just personal obligations. It's absolutely false when people say he had nothing on the line in the match against Nestea. He had nothing on the line in terms of advancement in the Blizzard Cup, but he still had obligations: to himself, to his fans, to his opponent, and to the tournament organizers. By failing to fulfill these obligations, he showed that he lacked professionalism. And the GSL was designed to be a professional tournament. If Naniwa doesn't want to be weighed down by these obligations then don't be a pro-gamer. Stick to amateur leagues and tournaments. This entire debacle could have been avoided if Naniwa just spent an entire 30 minutes (if even that), playing a game against Nestea. The bottomline is that Naniwa chose to be selfish. That's the difference between Naniwa's scenario and all the other flawed analogies people are making (eg: sports team sending B-team lineups). Welcome to the real world where you can't always do what only you want to do. It's time to grow up. I'm sorry Naniwa had to learn it the hard way, but in the long run, he'll learn from this (if he's as smart as I believe him to be). | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
If Naniwa said "fuck you nestea" or "fuck all audience" , got into fight with someone from audience or programer yeah I could get it. But just doing an unwinnable strategy just because he didn't feel like playing? There is no punishment for that as far as I can see. | ||
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IplayTerran
Germany42 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:09 XRaDiiX wrote: This..... i still don't understand how people think GomTV has ground to revoke his Code S invite when probe rushing is no different than Bombers Manner Mules... or MC's Taunts... GOM can deny whoever they want. Code S is a privelage, not a right. You fuck up then you lose it. Naniwa threw a game which he himself agreed to play. He in turn made himself look bad in addition to making GOM look bad for having him in the tournament. You throw a game, you're punished. It's how the world should be. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
At the very least it's likely that Nani is going to start playing by the book instead of being a "bad boy". | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
If they wouldn´t punish him like this would the be "unprofessional" or just down to earth and self critical? | ||
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nagual
Ukraine70 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:05 NHY wrote: Keep reading and you'll find this Did that also happen in Providence? No. So there was no MLG-GSL exchange in Providence. How can so many people miss this? You'd know just from reading it that it is impossible to apply it to providence since there are no championship pools, This is actually a pretty good point lol, I don't remember now but did any posts regarding a korean being invited through the program made? Also, naniwa got money even though he didn't advance right? If he did, he should've played the game because it was scheduled and only by an agreement of gom and him they could not broadcast the game. Not playing even though you agreed gives gom the "right" to back off on any agreements they had with naniwa. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:03 SnoLys wrote: From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence Edit: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program Edit2: From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/ http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk | ||
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price
United States297 Posts
ya this is true, but if it's all about 1) abusive strategies or 2) offending the crowd / audience, then bitbybit should be executed | ||
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zUdio1
United States31 Posts
It has to do with honor and respect and bestowing those upon both your opponent and the tournament you're playing in. Naniwa is incredibly selfish and outwardly neurotic and it's no surprise to me that he got Code S revoked. Hopefully this will teach him to not be a brat and to respect both his opponents AND those who run the tournaments in which he's allowed to play. When you're in an Eastern-world country, honor and respect towards practically everyone comes before yourself; the well-being of the group is much more important than the well-being of the self. It's Sociology 101. If Naniwa pulled his MLG shenanigans in Korea, he would've been banned from GSL. We tolerate selfishness in America even when it disrespects others - in Korea, not so much. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
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6BiT
513 Posts
I feel sorry for whoever has to read the english emails sent to gomtv, their about to find that the 'foreigner' fans are a different kettle of fish lol. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:12 ReboundEU wrote: Sooooooo well said.... this just shows u how eagerly they were waiting in a dark corner.....hoping..even praying that he does something remotely wrong..so they can avenge their demi-god Nestea. "Kill first..judge later" ...sounds familiar?...think ..oh...about 500years ago they were kind of forced to do so. after all the twitter bias against naniwa and the korean reactions in general they would look stupid now in korea. not on teamliquid maybe, but i guess they have to live with that. around 40-50% on TL still seem to be okay with it and i'm one of them. | ||
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