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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Wicher
Sweden24 Posts
Personaly the 1st GSL of 2012 is now ruined for me. and im going to contact them and request money back. Some might say that GOM got punished themself just by having that bad "setup" in the first place. I dotn agree tho. Oh well, im not a huge naniwa fan, tho i like seeing more foreigners if im even going to concider watching GSL. i'll be back watching GOM soon enough!  | ||
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Excomm
United States152 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:01 Clbull wrote: You lose 3 very close games in a row. Your goal was to win the tournament. You now have to face another player in the group stages in a game that would have zero bearing whatsoever on whether you advance in the tournament or not, because you're already eliminated. You are livid with yourself because you've adopted the correct improvement mentality and recognise that it was your fault alone that you lost those games because you had made mistakes in your play despite training 12 hours a day on nullifying these flaws. That's right, because of your mistakes, not because of the typical lower league whines of imbalance having credibility such as "Marines OP", "Colossus OP", "EMP is overpowered" and whatnot. No, you lost because of you and you are clearly frustrated at yourself because of it and this is greatly deteriorating your play. What would you do? Hell, I think if NaNiwa knew that GOMTV were going to be draconian about such a thing, then he wouldn't have even considered it. I would probably do what NesTea (who was in the exact same situation) did and try to play a good game and maybe win if I played well. Why does Naniwa's situation excuse his behavior when NesTea was in the same mindset? | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
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Rikiya
Japan87 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:05 dolvlo wrote: So GOM is backing out of their agreement with the MLG to give the highest placed player at MLG providence a Code S spot. What a joke of a tournament. The agreement wasn't applied to Providence, It has been said many times in this thread with links. | ||
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ambrosiaa
Singapore333 Posts
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noaki
Germany145 Posts
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
Secondly the fact that I cannot say something because I am Swedish and thus “Swedish retard FANBOY” makes me want to choke someone. Because if HuK had done this I would be all for it. “Fuck yeah, ban that fucking Canadian 4life!”. Or maybe not? Maybe I don’t like it because it is unfair? The only reason Naniwa got banned was because he did this in Korea and secondly he did something that players do all the time just in a more obvious way. Naniwa got banned for doing a probe rush instead of a cannon rush. I don’t think that is a good reason to get banned. The only error Naniwa did was not realizing that the Koreans would react this way, he could have forfeited 2 min later in a less obvious way and saved himself from this. If you think Naniwa should be banned from GSL then you should mail Assembly and Dreamhack to ban Stephano, cause he has done the same twice. Shouldn’t even start talking about IdrA, you get banned for things that might be seen as disrespectful to other players? Hell IdrA should get a global ban from SC2 for life. | ||
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zanmat0
188 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:06 hoby2000 wrote: I still agree with GomTV's punishment, and I even think it wasn't harsh enough. What would you suggest be done to punish him further? I'm thinking maybe hanged, drawn and quartered through the streets of Seoul. | ||
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TeveT
Sweden148 Posts
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SaYyId
Portugal277 Posts
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:08 noaki wrote: I don't care if his spot is revoked, don't like him anyway, but if you probe rush or instead play some random all-in just to get over the game is pretty much the same, don't see how this is more offensive then just a lousy 4gate. And imo manner mules etc are way more bm than this. This..... i still don't understand how people think GomTV has ground to revoke his Code S invite when probe rushing is no different than Bombers Manner Mules... or MC's Taunts... | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:06 hoby2000 wrote: I still agree with GomTV's punishment, and I even think it wasn't harsh enough. Some progamers already think it's an overreaction, so really don't know what you want more | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:08 Fission wrote: Anybody asking for a refund because of this should get out and stay out. I'm glad ppl are because what they did is BS. i would ask for one too if i had bought it, glad i didn't. Their audience is mostly foreigners and they taught it was cool to ban the (arguably) best foreigner? not very good for business... | ||
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ClassyMcderp
Sweden7 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:53 DMTsyncope wrote: Why do people keep saying that there was nothing on the line for Naniwa? As far as i know he had 0 wins before going into that match against NesTea, i would give my absolute best to win it so i wouldnt finish the tournament with 0 wins. Ooooohhh, that changes everything! | ||
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price
United States297 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Since people are praising this joke of a post I guess I'll answer it. He is a pro-gamer because he does have a team, fans and sponsors that pays him a salary and they all support him in this matter. Nonsensical post? Yes. GOMTV is punishing him and they are neither of these things. As I said: we're all in it together. Since the nuance of this does not seem to have survived transmission, I'll break it down further: Naniwa's team and fans don't exist in a vaccuum any more than he does. They're part of a sport, and it's the sport as a whole that is viable and self-sustaining. Naniwa gets to have sponsors and fans because there is a sport for him to play, right? And it is partly GOM's responsibility, as the organisers of a prestigious tournament, to look after that sport. They judged that regardless of how Naniwa's personal fans felt, his behaviour reflected badly on the sport and should be seen to be punished. What I said before was, essentially, "Even if Naniwa doesn't appreciate it, he must fulfil certain obligations to have a career as a pro-gamer". More properly that can be extended to: "Even if Naniwa and his team and his fans don't appreciate it, he must fulfil certain obligations to have a career as a pro-gamer." Or better yet: "Even if Naniwa and his team and his fans don't appreciate it, all players must fulfil certain obligations for the career of 'pro-gamer' to be a viable one to pursue." | ||
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
Which professional sport league would make such a decission over night without a proper hearing and talk to the involved people. | ||
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Jamial
Denmark1289 Posts
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