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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Breavman
Sweden598 Posts
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hellkama
Finland11 Posts
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Stoffelhase
Germany162 Posts
well nani lost his gsl spot with bad behaviour in a non gsl tournament.. lets see if they ban demuslim for the same reason now.. even tho demuslim did something WAY worse, because he did this in a game that matters (can be a bit compared with cocas matchfixing).. i dont want demu kicked out, but wont it be reasonable for them to not give him an invite?! | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
If a Korean had done this, and got his Code S seed taken away, majority opinion on here would likely be it's deserved, and he should have acted professionally. But because its a foreigner.. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:55 Kevan wrote: Is there a rule that said that you will be punished if you worker rush? No. “During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours “ The rule says that you can't "offend" anyone with abusive behaviour. How could Naniwa possibly have known that doing the strategy he did would fall under that rule? You can't punish someone(revoking Code S spot) for breaking undefined rules. A warning would have been appropriate. Then Mr. Chae says that Naniwa is an "amateur prize money hunter". The Korean culture just seems very elitist and easily offended to me. They need to realize that many people who watch or play in the Global Starcraft League don't give a fuck about their culture. So you made that observation based on your many years of studying in Korean culture? Don't blindly refer to 'Korean culture' and 'it's problems.' | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:59 Breavman wrote: It's funny how the probe rush is somehow an insult to korean professionalism and honour. I seem to remember how the korean pros would throw games in pretty much every WCG BW to manipulate the bracket and avoid facing each other, sometimes in an obvious way. And those were not meaningless games, it actually affected other players in the tournament. it's not about probe rush, it's just that naniwa showed that he completelly does not care about the game. Have you seen what he was doing when he probe rushed? | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:53 DMTsyncope wrote: Why do people keep saying that there was nothing on the line for Naniwa? As far as i know he had 0 wins before going into that match against NesTea, i would give my absolute best to win it so i wouldnt finish the tournament with 0 wins. You lose 3 very close games in a row. Your goal was to win the tournament. You now have to face another player in the group stages in a game that would have zero bearing whatsoever on whether you advance in the tournament or not, because you're already eliminated. You are livid with yourself because you've adopted the correct improvement mentality and recognise that it was your fault alone that you lost those games because you had made mistakes in your play despite training 12 hours a day on nullifying these flaws. That's right, because of your mistakes, not because of the typical lower league whines of imbalance having credibility such as "Marines OP", "Colossus OP", "EMP is overpowered" and whatnot. No, you lost because of you and you are clearly frustrated at yourself because of it and this is greatly deteriorating your play. What would you do? Hell, I think if NaNiwa knew that GOMTV were going to be draconian about such a thing, then he wouldn't have even considered it. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:56 anomalopidae wrote: I do not understand this The agreement clearly states that he should be awarded Code S spot, it says so even on GOM page http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL. Yeah that seems very wierd, either MLG lied or made an error while writing that. Or they and GOM are just trying to make the punishment seem less harsh since so many disagree about it. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:55 dolvlo wrote: Which is actually in contradiction to what MLG has on their own website. Slasher either doesn't know what the fuck is going on, or MLG has been lying to us the whole time. They told Naniwa that he would get a Code S spot... Now, because of what he did, he don't have a Code S spot... Who care if he got is Code S spot from MLG or directly from GomTV... he had a spot and he don't anymore, and it's unjustified. | ||
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Jurassic
Hungary79 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:00 Stoffelhase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQkOCA20H40 well nani lost his gsl spot with bad behaviour in a non gsl tournament.. lets see if they ban demuslim for the same reason now.. even tho demuslim did something WAY worse, because he did this in a game that matters (can be a bit compared with cocas matchfixing).. i dont want demu kicked out, but wont it be reasonable for them to not give him an invite?! lol when was this from? | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
Scroll to bottom, Automatic Loss Rule, 3rd sentence. Now argument for Naniwa having broken that rule. "Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience." | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
GOM's rules do not say offending or abusive they say "Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience." So there are two possiblities: 1. Either they are doing this without basis in any of their rules, which makes it an very harsh punishment considering they can do this completely on their whims, basing it on their subjective opinion of a players behaviour. 2. The rule has been translated wrong or can be enterpreted differently in Korean. Which means they are using a rule which is not clear for a foreigner to throw out a punishment noone can expect for their actions, which is also not justifiable IMO. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582 | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:59 mordk wrote: 1.-*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more. Ridiculous. Meant to please the audience, there's nothing in common between these and Nani's "play" yesterday. 2.-*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over. Same thing. Nothing to see here 3.-*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around. Speculative, unfounded, and most likely false. 4.-*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything? No they haven't so, like you say, it's likely GOM would have done something. Can't say for certain though, so again, pure speculation. So how exactly is rushing with probes worse than BM'ing your opponent? | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
eswc qualifiers I believe | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:55 XRaDiiX wrote: I thought people should see this good post from someone earlier shows how GomTV is picking favourites here and displaying double standards. Why does NaNiwa get banned for something that there wasn't even a definite rule on banning people for probe rushes it's not about him winning or losing with it and to boot the game didn't have any relevance whether he won or lost. He was obviously on tilt/angry after playing 3 games that he almost won. So NaNiwa had no reason to play his best in the last game except for showmanship; He even said he was sorry for it in his interview. Etc Completely unprofessional actions from GomTV "Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment" GSL is going to lose a lot of viewers because of this wrongful action they have taken against NaNiwa we have already seen it by how many people said they will not buy subscriptions in this thread... 1)I'm not going to bother about ceremonies. 2)GOM has no control over MLG. 3)game was controversial, but coincidentally his games seemed off after that incident, clearly hes got some issues of his own again GOM had no control. 4)The team owned him before GOM did. as for Chae's tweet though, completely out of line, at least he didn't call him worse than a child molester like the KT coach did to Savior. | ||
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epij
Germany42 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:05 goswser wrote: he didnt do a little cheese, he purposely threw the game. if your going to talk about the situation at least dont twist it into something it isnt. everyone who doesnt want to buy tickets because of this is stupid, the next season will be even better than the last one because we wont have to watch naniwa lose 0-2 in the first round like he usually does. ... and I thought complexity cares about their representation and image! | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:00 Stoffelhase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQkOCA20H40 well nani lost his gsl spot with bad behaviour in a non gsl tournament.. lets see if they ban demuslim for the same reason now.. even tho demuslim did something WAY worse, because he did this in a game that matters (can be a bit compared with cocas matchfixing).. i dont want demu kicked out, but wont it be reasonable for them to not give him an invite?! ban EG from tournaments pls | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:58 FinBenton wrote: + Show Spoiler [don't open] + GSL is a joke tournament run by children. TL accounts are a luxury, they should become a rare and valuable commodity instead. Thank you for your contribution to the cause. Edit: typo | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:03 epij wrote: ... and I thought complexity cares about their representation and image! What complexity?...what year are u in? | ||
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