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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 23:54 GeNeSiDe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:38 Pholon wrote:
While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. I'll unlock it in 15 minutes. In that time, please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attack on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out.
edit: Incidentally, has everyone seen the new puzzlepieces on the calender yet? they're superdupersweet :3
edit2: okay here we go. keep it civil people. I think everyone needs to listen to this, especially Nani's defenders have been throwing around declarations of surrender (NesTea v MVP blizzcon? are you serious?), hurling insults. If this wasnt the right thing to do GOM wouldnt have done it. In my eyes they have proven AGAIN and AGAIN why they hold the life of SC2 eSports in their hands.
Yea because they are all-knowing people, that can't make mistakes?
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Deserved. Hope kid Naniwa learns some professionalism manners.
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On December 14 2011 23:55 Kevan wrote:
Is there a rule that said that you will be punished if you worker rush? No.
“During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours “
The rule says that you can't "offend" anyone with abusive behaviour. How could Naniwa possibly have known that doing the strategy he did would fall under that rule? You can't punish someone(revoking Code S spot) for breaking undefined rules. A warning would have been appropriate.
Then Mr. Chae says that Naniwa is an "amateur prize money hunter". The Korean culture just seems very elitist and easily offended to me. They need to realize that many people who watch or play in the Global Starcraft League don't give a fuck about their culture.
Please don't say things like that. I know you are upset but that was very offensive.
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On December 14 2011 23:55 dolvlo wrote:Which is actually in contradiction to what MLG has on their own website. Slasher either doesn't know what the fuck is going on, or MLG has been lying to us the whole time.
Then Naniwa should sue MLG becuase they sayd it on the day he got the 2nd place its on there bloddy homepage aswell
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On December 14 2011 23:53 Kryptic.610 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:37 Focuspants wrote:On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote:
It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there. The only thing that showed that Esports cant be taken seriously, is having what Naniwa did happen on live TV. Its embarrasing. If you did this as a professional anything, you would be blacklisted the hell out of the profession. Supporting Naniwas behaviour is completely counterproductive to what seems to be your goal, wnating Esports to be taken seriously. No not at all...when a basketball game is over the players stop trying and just dribble the ball and walk around for the last 20 seconds. Should they be banned for giving up when the outcome is clear? No, it is ridiculous.
Thats so different as they have given their all for the entire game and usually this is preceeded by the fans either booing or just outright leaving the stadium early, en masse, in order to avoid the last 20 seconds of foul-timeout-foul-timeout.
nani never even took the tipoff, he kicked the other center in the balls, hurled the basketball into the crowd, flipped off the refs and his team and said "fuck you!"
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GSL is a joke tournament run by children.
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After reading this thread, It now makes sense why Naniwa heaped praise and thanks onto his swedish fans in that UpCloseGamers video interview he did before this all happened. You guys are getting quite ridiculous with the bias you're showing over this. If you don't want to watch GSL anymore, then don't, but can you please please stop pretending like you make up 30% of their subscribers and they can't survive without you watching.
For the Naniwa defenders, I just want you to think about this. If any of you have ever held down a successful job/career (and I would suspect the majority of you have), then can you honestly look me in the eye (yes, through the monitor) and tell me that what he did was professional?
We understand that the game vs. Nestea was not "important" in the sense of him moving through the tournament. We get it, and yes, perhaps more insight should be taken in future events to keep the potential for these games to happen to a minimum. However, as a "Professional Gamer" it is your duty to play out the games and to put on a show for your fans and any spectators/viewers. This is without the complications of playing for/representing a team or organisation. Naniwa doesn't play for himself, he doesn't fund his trips to all of these events out of his own pocket and without Quantic he wouldn't even be there for the chance to win a single dollar in prize money.
For him to think he is so important that he doesn't need to show his "full skill" because he isnt "motivated enough" is just a ridiculously childish statement to come out with. If people in other careers made such comments/actions, they'd lose their job. No questions asked.
What the GSL have done, is to lay down a future stance that if any other player even gets the notion of pulling some gross shit like this, they will forget it pretty quickly or face the same consequences. Honestly, I think that the majority of events throughout this year have actually been pretty leanient, and it's got to the stage where some players think they can walk on water with no repercussions.
Not anymore. I fully support the decision you have taken on this matter GSL, and I look forward to supporting your brand throughout 2012.
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that's complete nonsense.
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On December 14 2011 23:55 Kevan wrote:
Is there a rule that said that you will be punished if you worker rush? No.
“During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours “
The rule says that you can't "offend" anyone with abusive behaviour. How could Naniwa possibly have known that doing the strategy he did would fall under that rule? You can't punish someone(revoking Code S spot) for breaking undefined rules. A warning would have been appropriate.
Then Mr. Chae says that Naniwa is an "amateur prize money hunter". The Korean culture just seems very elitist and easily offended to me. They need to realize that many people who watch or play in the Global Starcraft League don't give a fuck about their culture.
First of all, I seriously doubt anyone from GOM called him an amature prize money hunter, that statement is just a paraphrase, it's not an official statement.
Second, I guess GOM clearly showed that people who "don't give a fuck" about their culture should stop watching the tournament? I have no problem with that, people without respect can happily be ignored.
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On December 14 2011 23:55 Kevan wrote:
Is there a rule that said that you will be punished if you worker rush? No.
“During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours “
The rule says that you can't "offend" anyone with abusive behaviour. How could Naniwa possibly have known that doing the strategy he did would fall under that rule? You can't punish someone(revoking Code S spot) for breaking undefined rules. A warning would have been appropriate.
Then Mr. Chae says that Naniwa is an "amateur prize money hunter". The Korean culture just seems very elitist and easily offended to me. They need to realize that many people who watch or play in the Global Starcraft League don't give a fuck about their culture.
Great, don't offend someone who happens to Swede, but stuff like this can be posted BMing an entire culture/country with little to no repercussions. Seriously TL?
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On December 14 2011 23:58 FinBenton wrote:
GSL is a joke tournament run by children.
the only child here is you
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On December 14 2011 23:30 Kiyo. wrote:
I don't really see how GOM wins in this. They just turned something that everyone would have forgotten in 2 days, into a huge deal. They're losing subscribers. They're getting a ton of backlash.
Who wins here?
Esports wins, because childish behaviour in a prestigous tournament is now less likely to occur.
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After having listened through the SOTG last night and then now reading that they're punishing him for what he did I'm at a loss for words. I've been purchasing most of the tickets so far from GSL, but never again, I'm sure they'll do fine without me but I won't support stuff like that.
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On December 14 2011 23:53 Kryptic.610 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:37 Focuspants wrote:On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote:
It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there. The only thing that showed that Esports cant be taken seriously, is having what Naniwa did happen on live TV. Its embarrasing. If you did this as a professional anything, you would be blacklisted the hell out of the profession. Supporting Naniwas behaviour is completely counterproductive to what seems to be your goal, wnating Esports to be taken seriously. No not at all...when a basketball game is over the players stop trying and just dribble the ball and walk around for the last 20 seconds. Should they be banned for giving up when the outcome is clear? No, it is ridiculous.
Generally it's the winning team who does that, the losers try to make the score more respectable.
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Nice, really good decision. If someone can't act like a professional there's no reason to have them in your professional organization. Gotta send out a message that being a progammer in Korea actually carries some weight, you can't just act like a kid.
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Something doesn't add up for me. If players continually did this during the GSL seasons, fans would be in an uproar over not being worth their money, and a call for the rules to be changed. People need to stop being hypocritical.
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On December 14 2011 23:58 humbre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 23:58 FinBenton wrote:
GSL is a joke tournament run by children. the only child here is you
Please stop it already.
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On December 14 2011 23:58 FinBenton wrote:
GSL is a joke tournament run by children.
The thread was locked for 15 minutes so people wouldn't post such things as the sentence above, and someone does so....
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On December 14 2011 23:55 XRaDiiX wrote:I thought people should see this good post from someone earlier shows how GomTV is picking favourites here and displaying double standards. Why does NaNiwa get banned for something that there wasn't even a definite rule on banning people for probe rushes it's not about him winning or losing with it and to boot the game didn't have any relevance whether he won or lost. He was obviously on tilt/angry after playing 3 games that he almost won. So NaNiwa had no reason to play his best in the last game except for showmanship; He even said he was sorry for it in his interview. Etc Completely unprofessional actions from GomTV Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples? "Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment"
1.-*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
Ridiculous. Meant to please the audience, there's nothing in common between these and Nani's "play" yesterday.
2.-*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
Same thing. Nothing to see here
3.-*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
Speculative, unfounded, and most likely false.
4.-*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
No they haven't so, like you say, it's likely GOM would have done something. Can't say for certain though, so again, pure speculation.
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to be honest it doesnt really make an impact. he went 0-4 anyways.
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