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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 14:37:54
December 14 2011 14:36 GMT
#3521
On December 14 2011 23:33 Benjef wrote:
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On December 14 2011 23:32 NHY wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:31 anomalopidae wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:26 NHY wrote:


Kespa's rules were pretty arbitrary.

GOM didn't say Naniwa's play style is offensive.

GOM didn't kick Naniwa's out of any league.

Naniwa was considered for Code S, as in not finalized but almost certain.

Naniwa was not in GSL or Code S.



So he did not earn his Code S spot as best non Code S performer at MLG Providence? I'm pretty sure he did, unless GOM will back out of their deal with MLG where that's stated pretty clearly .


No.

Read MLG-GSL exchange rule.


MLG thinks he did
Show nested quote +
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/


Again, it doesn't matter what MLG news poster 'think'
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3522
On December 14 2011 23:25 jojo311 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:24 Elenar wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:22 goswser wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:21 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
How do I delete my account on gomtv.net?

blind swedish fanboys are retards


So Im a retard? I bet im "smarter" then you?


no you aren't smarter 'than' him.



Schooling someone in their second language, I sure it hope it helps you sleep at night.

Wow.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3523
On December 14 2011 23:17 muNsu wrote:
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On December 14 2011 23:12 Umpteen wrote:
On December 14 2011 22:14 .Sic. wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
Gom stepped over the boundaries by deciding that they have the right to determine what play is "offensive to opponents/audience" or not.

You can play SC2 well? Great! You want to be a pro-gamer? You want a sponsor to pay you and ferry you around from tournament to tournament? You want fans who'll tune in and maybe buy the products you endorse? Then you act like you give a shit, 100% of the time. That's part of the job.

You probably don't even understand what you write, so let me help you.


I appreciate your concern.

You have just said that it's the sponsor that should stop supporting naniwa, it's fan who should stop following him. It's in the league's authority to deny him a chance he earned through hard work and being better than everybody else because of personal and retarded reason. It doesn't happen in any sports, just in this farce that is esports, where if kids cry on tl and reddit stuff like this happens.


What I just said was that fans, players, organisers and officials are all in it together. Everything they do affects everyone else. Players of many sports have been officially sanctioned for bringing the sport into disrepute on and off the 'pitch', whatever that might happen to mean. The larger and more established sports may have more checks and balances and more lawyers involved, but the principle is not unique to esports.

Hopefully our understanding has equalised now. Cheers!
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
animol
Profile Joined March 2010
135 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3524
How can anyone defend him? The match might not matter to him but you can't forget the audience who wants to see entertaining games, there was even some drama between Nestea and Naniwa so it would have definitely been nice to see the match.

Games being thrown like that is not good for GOM TV's business so it's their right to defend it from detrimental factors like players intentionally losing.
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3525
On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote:
It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there.


The only thing that showed that Esports cant be taken seriously, is having what Naniwa did happen on live TV. Its embarrasing. If you did this as a professional anything, you would be blacklisted the hell out of the profession. Supporting Naniwas behaviour is completely counterproductive to what seems to be your goal, wnating Esports to be taken seriously.
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3526
Doubt MLG would back out of the exchange after Naniwa called their tournament a joke
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 14:38:38
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3527
On December 14 2011 23:31 dolvlo wrote:
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On December 14 2011 23:29 Tobberoth wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:28 St00r wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:17 Skwid1g wrote:
They do know how to host a tournament, Naniwa just doesn't deserve to play in one.

Nice joke bro.
No tournament in the world would let people play a game without nothing on line. They clearly need to learn to host a better tournament. :-)

Du är ju korkad, aldrig hört talas om fotboll?

Almost all tournaments have meaningless games.


Do they? Can you name one meaningless game from MLG? From Dreamhack? Can you name one meaningless game from the offline IPL3 event?

You're full of shit.

If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know the following:

- IPL3 had a pointless groupstage where multiple players forfeited matches (partially due to time issues and I think it was done in an understanding with the organisation)
- Dreamhack had pointless games in the group phase.
- MLG final 'position' games are generally meaningless to a point where people don't even show up for them.

Keep in mind that none of this is ment to condone what naniwa did, just that you're wrong. There's differences between these games and the one we're all talking about.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3528
On December 14 2011 23:02 -Archangel- wrote:
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On December 14 2011 22:44 creepcolony wrote:
lol that poll..

TL is unbelievably conservative. That is something that REALLY blows my mind.
How can young people be like that ? And probably im even older than most people here..

Now, for real, if you think GOM is right, you should change something in your life. I dont know what, but something. And fast.


Actually I think most younger people on TL voted for naniwa as they are kiddies with no responsibility in life and don't know shit about life.


You keep telling yourself that. Your view in life is not the only one and is not the absolute one and is not the single correct one. Should grow up a bit and open your eyes, there are more varieties of people in the world than the ones that think exactly like you, and the ones that don't aren't automatically wrong just because you think so. What can I say, big ego.
top9696
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)5 Posts
December 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#3529
On December 14 2011 23:24 manloveman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:22 top9696 wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:08 Benjef wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:08 top9696 wrote:
(Sorry for my terrible grammer)

In korea, people are cheering about this news. They think imnestea was ridiculed by naniwa.
Even nestea said that he was mad at that time. Before start playing, He thought for a while how to play, but the glorious probe rush came.

Also im korean. I agree about this. I think this is the culture crash.

Guessed as much. Pretty big culture clash.



Guess your right. Most Korean dont(cannot) understand why foreigners are standing by naniwa.

Anyway, After the probe rush, naniwa got a huge korean anti-fan.


So why didnt koreans go bonkers on nestea, when he threw his game vs mwp at blizzcon?


They want sincerity. I think.

They must be ok even naniwa go photo rush. its hard to explain, but they want the good game, even player give up, the want some of ceremony. They want respect to them, and each other
MadChem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany218 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3530
I'm honest, I dont like Naniwa very much, but I was excited to see the "rematch" between
him and Nestea.

TBH: I think it was kind of the right move, since a professional shut always try to give his best.

GSL has a lot of paying customers and it can (imo) not be tolerated, if players intentionally
lose a game, because you cannot tell me that he thought he might win with a probe rush.
May be they shut have given him a smaller punishment, but what shut that be? A fine or
the exclusion of future invite tournaments like the blizzard cup?

I also dont like the money hunter part. For the part of the statement of him being unprofessional:
I totally agree on that one, since every professional Sport is a SHOW for customers. What would you say,
if you go to a professional boxing fight and one of the guys just fakes a KO for whatever reason?

"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Oppenheimer
jojo311
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia903 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3531
On December 14 2011 23:34 dolvlo wrote:
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On December 14 2011 23:32 Bounana wrote:
I'm so glad they did this. Next time Nani should think 7 times before acting like a baby


Can you prove that he acted like a baby? He had a reason for his behavior, it wasn't irrational. I'm sorry you can't read.


You sound like a baby.

What naniwa did was absolutely selfish, that makes him like a baby.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3532
Clowns are good for publicity
There are manny examples in other sports
They should have the freedom to be a clown, though it should be closely monitored so they wont cross the thin line of doing damage
HiTeK532
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada171 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3533
I'm honestly not in the slightest bit surprised this was a televised match on the largest stage in korea. it's as if the colts (america football) went out on to the field and figured while we can't win may as well punt the ball on every play all game it shows a lack of respect for the fans that paid to watch them play that game the fans that were watching the game on T.V. and league. An effort has to be put into playing the game. and for the people mentioning idra at MLG that was an unstreamed match that was never going to be shown and that no one would be watching.
I play games not girls
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3534
On December 14 2011 23:24 DailYLeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:40 Tatari wrote:
I can't say I'm glad for this, but you could say Naniwa had this coming. People pay to watch pro-gamers play to their best and fullest potential, not for some bronze level worker rush cheese.


AND HOW SHOULD PRO GAMER PLAY THEIR BEST, WHEN NOTHING IS ON THE LINE?!

oh my god GOM are you serious? this is a fuckin joke.



Buddy, in case you didn't know, thats what PRO (aka PROFESSIONAL ) stands for, ok?
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3535
On December 14 2011 23:31 St00r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:29 Tobberoth wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:28 St00r wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:17 Skwid1g wrote:
They do know how to host a tournament, Naniwa just doesn't deserve to play in one.

Nice joke bro.
No tournament in the world would let people play a game without nothing on line. They clearly need to learn to host a better tournament. :-)

Du är ju korkad, aldrig hört talas om fotboll?

Almost all tournaments have meaningless games.

Skönt att du snackar om en lagsport. Det är som att säga att ett lag skulle sätta upp med ett A-lag i en meningslös match. Du är ju korkad!

Det gäller alla sporter. Ingen kräver att Naniwa spelar sitt bästa precis som ingen kräver att ett lag kör med sin bästa uppställning. Allt som krävs är att man inte beter sig som en barnunge.

So sick of how so many swedes are backing Naniwa on this, you're making it so obvious that you're just fanboys.
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3536
On December 14 2011 23:26 Elthreann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:22 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Best move on GOMs part. This behavior is unacceptable at any level. If CoCa was punished then this is far worse.

Agree with GOMs decision 100% If you decide to be ignorant of others you dont deserve to have the spot. No room for DIVAS in sc2.



Except Coca wasn't punished it was his own decision to give up that seasons GSL (and maybe encouraged by his Team)

if slayers hadnt made coca forfeit, then slayers+coca would have gotten a ton more shit from fans and gsl would have punished him anyways... coca/slayers took responsibility for his actions but naniwa can't be expected to do the adult thing, so he has to be punished. he was pretty clear that he wasnt sorry about it in the post game interviews lol
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3537
On December 14 2011 23:36 NHY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:33 Benjef wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:32 NHY wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:31 anomalopidae wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:26 NHY wrote:


Kespa's rules were pretty arbitrary.

GOM didn't say Naniwa's play style is offensive.

GOM didn't kick Naniwa's out of any league.

Naniwa was considered for Code S, as in not finalized but almost certain.

Naniwa was not in GSL or Code S.



So he did not earn his Code S spot as best non Code S performer at MLG Providence? I'm pretty sure he did, unless GOM will back out of their deal with MLG where that's stated pretty clearly .


No.

Read MLG-GSL exchange rule.


MLG thinks he did
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/


Again, it doesn't matter what MLG 'think'



Regardless, it very well could have been the deciding factor in inviting him. But it was not required for them to use this MLG as that deciding factor.
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3538
On December 14 2011 23:37 Legace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:25 jojo311 wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:24 Elenar wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:22 goswser wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:21 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
How do I delete my account on gomtv.net?

blind swedish fanboys are retards


So Im a retard? I bet im "smarter" then you?


no you aren't smarter 'than' him.



Schooling someone in their second language, I sure it hope it helps you sleep at night.

Wow.

It certainly does as he was trying to prove his intelligence, without actually using spell check.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 14:52:28
December 14 2011 14:38 GMT
#3539
While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. I'll unlock it in 15 minutes. In that time, please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attack on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out.

edit: Incidentally, has everyone seen the new puzzlepieces on the calender yet? they're superdupersweet :3

edit2: okay here we go. keep it civil people.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
December 14 2011 14:52 GMT
#3540
The moral of the story is pretty simple: When you're in Korea, don't be a douchebag. They don't put up with that s@&!.

Nani's been kind of a douchebag for awhile, it's just catching up with him.

I wish they'd still let him play, but we all saw this coming. He refuses to play nice, by and large. Success in a small industry like this is social, not just skill.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
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