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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Bounana
Canada54 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51103 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:31 Zandar wrote: So what? It's GLOBAL star league, not Korean star league when in korea, do what the koreans do. | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:30 rEalGuapo wrote: What exactly about the ensuing furore makes you think GOM got that call wrong? I've read a good few of the 100+ pages of this thread and without exception those opposed to GOM's decision have focused on only a small part of the big picture. Sure, the match didn't matter as far as Naniwa's chances in the competition were concerned. So if that's all you decide to care about, his decision was entirely reasonable. But professional sport is not about pandering to one individual. In professional sport, everyone is in it together: players, spectators, organisers, officials - everyone. It only works if we all pull together. Are victory ceremonies or in-game victory BM (to which this has been compared) against the spirit of the sport? No. Fans love that stuff; it foments rivalries, increase the spectacle. Obviously there is a point where they would become detrimental (literally pissing into your opponent's cubicle for instance), but right now, no. Would Nestea going on tilt and 6-pooling in that same game be against the spirit of the sport? No. A 6-pool is a genuine, if desperate, attempt to win. It would at least show he cared. What Naniwa did, on the other hand, was entirely selfish. He denied Nestea a chance to save face by earning a win, made his sponsors look stupid after they hyped the game, used the match as a platform to humiliate the organisers for their choice of format - a format he signed up for by choosing to take part, disappointed the fans who stayed up to watch - in short, he made it perfectly clear that the only thing he gave a damn about was himself. If you think 'SC2-pro' is just a kind of unofficial league above GM, you're woefully mistaken. Doing anything professionally carries obligations over and above those attached to a recreational activity, because it's no longer just about you. It's about you and the people paying you. You can cook? Great! You want to be a chef? Better start adhering to health and safety and hygiene standards, and getting food out on time and on budget. You can take nice photos? Great! Want to be a wedding photographer? Then you'll be wanting insurance and a network of other pros in case you're ill on the day. You'll be multiply-RAIDing your hard drives, scouting venues, honing your interpersonal and organisational skills so that the wedding party have a great time and great pictures to take away and don't have to spend all day away from their guests. You can play SC2 well? Great! You want to be a pro-gamer? You want a sponsor to pay you and ferry you around from tournament to tournament? You want fans who'll tune in and maybe buy the products you endorse? Then you act like you give a shit, 100% of the time. That's part of the job. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Yeeej completely killed the Quote thingy.  Just reposting this so you can stop hating and start thinking (hating GOM for acting perfectly reasonable that is) Could you please not clutter this thread with your reposts, thanks. | ||
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zHarveLi
Belgium29 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:30 pOtentiaLeaver wrote: GOM can do whatever the heck they want but what mr chae and all the koreans said on twitter against naniwa was way too harsh... being harsh =/= being honest & truthful. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
MLG thinks he did Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/ | ||
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Magistraal
Belgium3 Posts
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:31 Fwmeh wrote: People never cease to astonish me. So to those of you complaining about Nani throwing the game, it seems you would be content if Nani had done what would basically amount to lying straight to your faces by pretending he did care about the game? Or is his failure in that he didn't manage to care about a game that literally meant nothing at all in the context of the tournament? Either the game is such that it is interesting to watch when played at a high level, or it is not, you cannot make artificial rules about what is a "correct" play, pleasing for the audience. That must come from the game design, and deciding that it is illegal to attack with workers is just not reasonable. And again, to those bringing up that he didn't care, so you would have been happy if he had "lied" to you? Is that what people want. In the end, Idra already said all that needs to be said with regard to avoiding such situations: If you want players to "care" about the matches, make sure they mean something. He got paid to play the tournament even though he went 0-4, that should be enough meaning. | ||
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Gekks
United States5 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote: It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there. Kespa has much stricter rules - and they are the definition of E-SPORTS And Idra did not get Naniwa's spot? I think that you are getting a few things confused here | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Your refusal to even consider the above can only be a result of one of two things - a lack of intelligence or and unwillingness to accept Korean culture. | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:26 Abphil wrote: Love how all the swedish members are complaining and whining. Would it be anyone else who would have done that and then gets his seed revoked, they wouldn't say anything. I fully understand Mr. Chae, a player should not be so disrespectful. Therefore I think Nani gets what he begged for. And thats not a valid argument. I would even say its discrimating towards Swedes. If I were from Germany I guess I coulden't be upset by what GOM did? | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:29 eshlow wrote: Same. I can't support this decision. Professionals in other sports get fined or reprimanded for unprofessional behavior. They don't get suspended or revoked from their ability to play the game unless it's a multiple time offense. They do, Suh a football players in US was suspended for 2 games for stomping a player's arm. I can name a lot more. You want a list of how long? | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
he didnt offend anyone on purpose he just didint want to play and thought that the audience wouldnt want to see the games anyway when hes not playing his best and you cant say that NesTea is offended by it either since that way he go at leas 1 win On December 14 2011 23:33 xbankx wrote: They do, Suh a football players in US was suspended for 2 games for stomping a player's arm. I can name a lot more. You want a list of how long? this is something entirely different since you get banned for a rude foul as well in a football game it would equal something like banning somone from gsl because he cheesed or something | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:32 Bounana wrote: I'm so glad they did this. Next time Nani should think 7 times before acting like a baby +1. Good job on GOM for doing what's needed to be done. Naniwa asked for this. He knew there will be consequences to his childish behavior. Glad someone is finally willing to set him straight. | ||
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Chickenlegs
Sweden451 Posts
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote: It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there. I can't believe you call what GOM did a step back and yet what Nani did, sending his probes and putting his hands on his face and not touching his keyboard, isn't a step back? Are you fucking kidding me? And you just cited GOM being UNPROFESSIONAL. Unbelievable. | ||
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TeveT
Sweden148 Posts
I was looking forward to seeing Naniwa compete, I know its a silly and probably an indifferent statement, but this coming season I won't bother with a ticket... | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:32 Bounana wrote: I'm so glad they did this. Next time Nani should think 7 times before acting like a baby Can you prove that he acted like a baby? He had a reason for his behavior, it wasn't irrational. I'm sorry you can't read. | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
I just edited it, read my post again, I linked the GOM site, it is clearly stated there what I wrote. | ||
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UkGracken
United Kingdom129 Posts
listen FUCKING LISTEN , Its not about BLIND SWEEDISH fanboys, i actually have hated naniwa since his insulting all american players and getting banned on TL back in b3ta. But if i was walking over the road in england and a new Policeofficer from the USA pulled me for jaywalking, Then arrested me, I'd be pretty pissed off concidering i hadn't broke any rules, and that just because his culture has a rule doesnt mean shit when its not a law. Just think would you punish Nadal by throwing him out of wimbildon because he throws a match anywhere? No you fucking Gom are big bullys and its clear that mr chae would have did anything in his power to punish naniwa as harsh as he could. I will also be "boycotting" gom, There is nothing worse then a shitty company who make up rules as they go along based on there "cultures" idea of video gaming, Mabye that is why koreans lack in almost any other sport because there cultures idea of expanding there horizons is limited, I dont know im just speculating as thats all gom has allowed me to do. I mean Naniwa earned his place by finishing 2nd mlg it wasnt a "gift" ...a "gift" would have been if he finished below another player who didnt have code S and was given it, He went into this MLG knowing that if he finished below a code S and higher then anyone Not in Code S he would get what he EARNED. The funny thing is the only people gom are hurting is there company. I know many pro players .. State of the game, And other groups are going to thing this was utterly absurd, Mr chae insulting naniwa on stream then throws him out of gsl, fucking disgusting manager hopefully the revenue lost will ease the pain. | ||
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