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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
December 14 2011 14:52 GMT
#3541
Thanks Pholon
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
December 14 2011 14:53 GMT
#3542
By Slasher@tweeter
Providence did not award Naniwa a Code S spot, only the Blizzard Cup. He was going to be given Code S, that which was revoked. Not as bad.

http://twitter.com/#!/Slasher/status/146961938084134912
U MAD BRO?
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
December 14 2011 14:53 GMT
#3543
On December 14 2011 23:37 Focuspants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote:
It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there.


The only thing that showed that Esports cant be taken seriously, is having what Naniwa did happen on live TV. Its embarrasing. If you did this as a professional anything, you would be blacklisted the hell out of the profession. Supporting Naniwas behaviour is completely counterproductive to what seems to be your goal, wnating Esports to be taken seriously.


No not at all...when a basketball game is over the players stop trying and just dribble the ball and walk around for the last 20 seconds. Should they be banned for giving up when the outcome is clear? No, it is ridiculous.
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
December 14 2011 14:53 GMT
#3544
i think this is right
DMTsyncope
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands46 Posts
December 14 2011 14:53 GMT
#3545
Why do people keep saying that there was nothing on the line for Naniwa?

As far as i know he had 0 wins before going into that match against NesTea, i would give my absolute best to win it so i wouldnt finish the tournament with 0 wins.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
December 14 2011 14:54 GMT
#3546
On December 14 2011 23:38 Pholon wrote:
While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. I'll unlock it in 15 minutes. In that time, please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attack on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out.

edit: Incidentally, has everyone seen the new puzzlepieces on the calender yet? they're superdupersweet :3

edit2: okay here we go. keep it civil people.


people do not see your shameless self promotion lol.
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
December 14 2011 14:54 GMT
#3547
Much needed Pholon ^^
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 14 2011 14:54 GMT
#3548
On December 14 2011 23:38 Pholon wrote:
edit: Incidentally, has everyone seen the new puzzlepieces on the calender yet? they're superdupersweet :3

edit2: okay here we go. keep it civil people.


They're freaking sweet! Liquipedia is such a wealth of awesome that anything to make it more accessible is great.

(i've nothing more to add on the topic at hand, it's done to death, i've made my peace).
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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
December 14 2011 14:54 GMT
#3549
On December 14 2011 23:35 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:32 NHY wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:31 anomalopidae wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:26 NHY wrote:


Kespa's rules were pretty arbitrary.

GOM didn't say Naniwa's play style is offensive.

GOM didn't kick Naniwa's out of any league.

Naniwa was considered for Code S, as in not finalized but almost certain.

Naniwa was not in GSL or Code S.



So he did not earn his Code S spot as best non Code S performer at MLG Providence? I'm pretty sure he did, unless GOM will back out of their deal with MLG where that's stated pretty clearly .


No.

Read MLG-GSL exchange rule.

Unless they ninja changed it, I'm pretty sure they said top non-Code S performer will be in Code S.


When MLG-GSL exchange happens. There was no Korean invite in Providence.
GeNeSiDe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom354 Posts
December 14 2011 14:54 GMT
#3550
On December 14 2011 23:38 Pholon wrote:
While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. I'll unlock it in 15 minutes. In that time, please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attack on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out.

edit: Incidentally, has everyone seen the new puzzlepieces on the calender yet? they're superdupersweet :3

edit2: okay here we go. keep it civil people.


I think everyone needs to listen to this, especially Nani's defenders have been throwing around declarations of surrender (NesTea v MVP blizzcon? are you serious?), hurling insults.

If this wasnt the right thing to do GOM wouldnt have done it.

In my eyes they have proven AGAIN and AGAIN why they hold the life of SC2 eSports in their hands.
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Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3551
Is there a rule that said that you will be punished if you worker rush? No.

“During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours “

The rule says that you can't "offend" anyone with abusive behaviour. How could Naniwa possibly have known that doing the strategy he did would fall under that rule? You can't punish someone(revoking Code S spot) for breaking undefined rules. A warning would have been appropriate.

Then Mr. Chae says that Naniwa is an "amateur prize money hunter". The Korean culture just seems very elitist and easily offended to me. They need to realize that many people who watch or play in the Global Starcraft League don't give a fuck about their culture.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3552
On December 14 2011 23:53 Kryptic.610 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:37 Focuspants wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote:
It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there.


The only thing that showed that Esports cant be taken seriously, is having what Naniwa did happen on live TV. Its embarrasing. If you did this as a professional anything, you would be blacklisted the hell out of the profession. Supporting Naniwas behaviour is completely counterproductive to what seems to be your goal, wnating Esports to be taken seriously.


No not at all...when a basketball game is over the players stop trying and just dribble the ball and walk around for the last 20 seconds. Should they be banned for giving up when the outcome is clear? No, it is ridiculous.


Except this wasn't the last 20 seconds, it was more like the last inning of a baseball match where all players of one team stop moving.
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3553
On December 14 2011 23:53 DMTsyncope wrote:
Why do people keep saying that there was nothing on the line for Naniwa?

As far as i know he had 0 wins before going into that match against NesTea, i would give my absolute best to win it so i wouldnt finish the tournament with 0 wins.


Because winning while giving 50% against someone who doesnt care either while you both are stressed and sad makes you feel good?
raginglemon
Profile Joined September 2010
Japan64 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 15:00:13
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3554
I think that the punishment is fair. He's only banned from GSL January (not forever, it's ONE month), people who are bitching at Gom need to take a step back from their Naniwa fanboyism and take a look at the situation.

Gom is in the entertainment business, yes, they made a mistake with the tournament format. But this isn't the worst thing to happen in sports (group play happens in a lot of tournaments). Instead of being a professional, Naniwa acted like a spoiled little child. In doing so, Naniwa put Gom in a very difficult position, Gom was forced to do something, people pay Gom to be entertained, and you can hardly say the way the match played out was entertaining. If Gom does nothing, their largest audience (Korea) would not be happy.

Ultimately, Naniwa had a choice, and he made a poor one. We all have to live and learn with the choices that we make as well as the consequences that come along with said choice. A better solution for Naniwa would have been to play out the match, and then talk to Gom and his team about the format. Instead he chose the immature route and pout. Hopefully Naniwa will take this as a learning experience and realize that in order to be considered a professional he needs to act in a professional manner.

In addition, Gom was only considering giving Naniwa a code S spot, he wasn't guaranteed a spot. Providence only guaranteed an appearance at the Blizzard cup. Gom has essentially decided not to give him a spot, which is their prerogative.

edit: spelling mistake
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 14:57:50
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3555
I thought people should see this good post from someone earlier shows how GomTV is picking favourites here and displaying double standards.

Why does NaNiwa get banned for something that there wasn't even a definite rule on banning people for probe rushes it's not about him winning or losing with it and to boot the game didn't have any relevance whether he won or lost.

He was obviously on tilt/angry after playing 3 games that he almost won. So NaNiwa had no reason to play his best in the last game except for showmanship;

He even said he was sorry for it in his interview. Etc

Completely unprofessional actions from GomTV



On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.

*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.

*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.

*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?

..more examples?



"Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment"

GSL is going to lose a lot of viewers because of this wrongful action they have taken against NaNiwa we have already seen it by how many people said they will not buy subscriptions in this thread...
Never GG MKP | IdrA
dolvlo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States99 Posts
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3556
On December 14 2011 23:53 ReboundEU wrote:
By Slasher@tweeter
Show nested quote +
Providence did not award Naniwa a Code S spot, only the Blizzard Cup. He was going to be given Code S, that which was revoked. Not as bad.

http://twitter.com/#!/Slasher/status/146961938084134912


Which is actually in contradiction to what MLG has on their own website. Slasher either doesn't know what the fuck is going on, or MLG has been lying to us the whole time.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#3557
On December 14 2011 23:38 Pholon wrote:
While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. I'll unlock it in 15 minutes. In that time, please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attack on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out.

edit: Incidentally, has everyone seen the new puzzlepieces on the calender yet? they're superdupersweet :3

edit2: okay here we go. keep it civil people.

They're really cool man <3 I love them
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 14:56:19
December 14 2011 14:56 GMT
#3558
On December 14 2011 23:53 Kryptic.610 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 23:37 Focuspants wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:32 AJTeal wrote:
It truly saddens me to see what a HUGE step back e-sports has taken today. This is like the reseat that shows that E-sports will NEVER EVER grow into a real sport. So unprofessional banning someone for no reason just to let a player like IdrA in because EG has payed gomTV. And now, everyone suddenly changes their mind (seeing as idra has a huge fanbase, he's got the entire America behind him) and thinks this is a good decision just because IdrA got Naniwa's spot. It's like HuK said. People are always quick to say "this is killing e-sports". I think this is the first time you can legitimately say, this IS killing e-sports. Cheating and unprofessionalism- GomTV right there.


The only thing that showed that Esports cant be taken seriously, is having what Naniwa did happen on live TV. Its embarrasing. If you did this as a professional anything, you would be blacklisted the hell out of the profession. Supporting Naniwas behaviour is completely counterproductive to what seems to be your goal, wnating Esports to be taken seriously.


No not at all...when a basketball game is over the players stop trying and just dribble the ball and walk around for the last 20 seconds. Should they be banned for giving up when the outcome is clear? No, it is ridiculous.

Take that example a bit longer. Say it's a soccer game, the score is 4-0 and there's 5 minutes left. Do the losing team just sit down? Do they just leave the arena? No, they keep trying for that last goal. Their play deteriorates, of course, but they try.
dolvlo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States99 Posts
December 14 2011 14:56 GMT
#3559
On December 14 2011 23:55 raginglemon wrote:
I think that the punishment is fair. He's only banned from GSL January (not forever, it's ONE month),


New GSL seasons last 2-3 months.
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
December 14 2011 14:56 GMT
#3560
On December 14 2011 23:53 ReboundEU wrote:
By Slasher@tweeter
Show nested quote +
Providence did not award Naniwa a Code S spot, only the Blizzard Cup. He was going to be given Code S, that which was revoked. Not as bad.

http://twitter.com/#!/Slasher/status/146961938084134912


I do not understand this
The agreement clearly states that he should be awarded Code S spot, it says so even on GOM page
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.

Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.

If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.

All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
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