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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:18 XRaDiiX wrote: Probe rushing =/= throwing game Its just a Cheesy Strategy. This is true. I heard it works in Bronze league sometimes against a drone rush. | ||
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madestro
Costa Rica108 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:13 xsnac wrote: To force players to play is way TOO COMUNIST . you cant force people to play games . if they throw games is just lose for them nothing more . Rly naniwa put a lot of effort in qualifying for blizzard cup and whatever he wants to do with his hard work is his right . if he wanna throw away all games FINE HE ALREDY WORKED HARD ENOUGH TO GET THOSE GAMES IS HIS RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO WITH THEM . Is like buying a car and the state will force you only to drive " no you cant set on fire your car you cant do anything else then just drive it " . rly ? GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU " FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY " lets go back to comunism . No you're wrong, it is not the same thing. This is his JOB, as such he has responsabilities towards team, sponsors, fans and opponents; this is not a silly ladder game where they encounter deezer and just quit the game to avoid the waste of time, this was an international tournament broadcasted all over the world. You don't want comunism ? I suspect then noone forces you to do anything at work right ? They only pay you to go, sit and look pretty ? Hmm not likely, I bet you DO HAVE TO DO YOUR JOB, you know the JOB YOU"RE PAYED FOR ! Same thing applies to PROFESSIONAL STARCRAFT 2 PLAYERS, if he's too inmature to comprehend it then Nani should stick to ladder games then. Besides there are ways to "throw the game away" that are not as disrespectful, how about a cannon rush ? or a proxy 2 gate ? It only takes what ? 3 minutes of his life ? Naniwa just showed he gives a f@ck about the game, fans, teams or community if there's no money involved and that is an insult to pro players that actually like the game and enjoy playing it. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Mario1209
United States1077 Posts
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:22 XRaDiiX wrote: So you're saying NaNiwa is not allowed to choose his strategy? You want GOM to force him to use certain strategies? He didn't even micro the probes... Man WHY couldn't he just gone for some all-in. The Koreans would have like that  | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
 I think GOM did a big mistake, and no respect for Naniwa that is a true professional gamer, one of the most talented player in Europe. Naniwa won, GSL lost, this time. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours I hate that this is a bannable offense, and yet it's entirely subjective. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:20 dormer wrote: Different situations, and you know it. Coca lost on purpose to allow his opponent a chance to get into Code A, after they talked about it in the middle of the game. Naniwa and Nestea were both 0-3 with no chance for either to advance and no implications for other players. You can totally argue that what he did was wrong, but there are a hundred comparisons in this thread that just don't make any sense. There was no Code A implication in that specific tournament. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out misinformation. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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SebaZ
Italy223 Posts
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price
United States297 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:20 Oktyabr wrote: The clause obviously doesn't talk about abusive strategies. Bitbybit was putting in his 110% effort and the evidence is shown by the number of games he has actually taken off people. He was actually behaving more professionally than Naniwa did in that one game. Probe rush is in no shape or form a strategy, not unless you can actually show someone hitting KR master league with the points required to attend the offline qualifiers with that alone. Naniwa had no strategy. It was pretty plain, and he didn't even try to disguise this. i dont think the two are all that different. scv marine all in basically ruins the game from my perspective. i don't really have any interest watching it. the same goes for a probe rush. naniwa had a strategy, but it was clearly a losing strategy because the game he was playing was meaningless. naniwa said that he could have 4gated too, but that strategy would have also been a waste of time ... | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:22 poorcloud wrote: Communist wtf? Some of the responses on this thread are staggering and face-palm inducing. Professional sports league all around the world will punish/ban athletes for not playing out a game even if that game did not matter. GOM had the right to withdraw the spot from Naniwa. It was an invitation. Its not like Naniwa qualified for code S. Sorry to state this but...there are places in the world that believes communism to be good.There is a difference between forcing strategies and "a-moving probes across the map" | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10760 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:22 ClassyMcderp wrote: Still not a good enough reason to take away his seed Saying it is not a good enough reason when it allready happened is kinda stupid, don't you think? You can disagree but the people in charge obviously think it's a good enough reason so... ... well. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
GomTV has no grounds to punish him for probe rushing If anything the Action taken on NaNiwa is a severe overreaction and i don't even like NaNiwa that much | ||
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Echo_
48 Posts
He broke their rule. He broke their cultural rule. It was blatant and uncalled for. There was zero reason for him to be so disrespectful to the tournament. Yeah, the tournament shouldn't have had the inconsequential games and with how everyone is reacting I don't think we will see anymore of those in the future. What the players needed and what the community needed to happen was exactly this: "Giving Naniwa a slap on the hand and saying 'No, bad Naniwa'" -iNcontroL What Naniwa did wasn't only idiotic, it was disrespectful. This was the appropriate response. This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate. | ||
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Krejven
Sweden105 Posts
I hope Naniwa comes jumping out in a murloc suit the next time he beats Nestea since that's how players influenced by the Korean culture act. | ||
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Tazelot
Sweden26 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:19 Xalorian wrote: There's a problem, tho. It's not the "Korean Starcraft League", it's the "Global Starcraft League"... even worst, it was not GSL, it was Blizzard Cup, wich have nothing to do about GSL in the first place. It could have been hold anywhere. It was not a Korean tournament, it was a blizzard one. So, what's the point? It's played in Korea, organized by Koreans, watched by many Koreans in their home turf. Their reactions are expected, and Blizzard is not involved in any way with the Blizzard cup other than giving the name and approving it. It's a korean tournament. | ||
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