EPTNesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.
This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances.
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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tlin
25 Posts
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it. HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago. This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:24 dolvlo wrote: So on what basis did GOM decide to choose IdrA and Sen? That sounds like absolute horse shit to me. Stick to your goddamn agreement with MLG, GOM. Yeah I'm still trying to figure this one out. That's the only part I'm mad about. You have people in Code A who have been actually competing for this and you just hand others spots without even making them do anything? That's fucking ridiculous. That's where GOM fucked up. | ||
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nagual
Ukraine70 Posts
Hold on, Nani. | ||
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Jurassic
Hungary79 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:18 XRaDiiX wrote: Probe rushing =/= throwing game Its just a Cheesy Strategy. Oh god, how hard is this to understand? He wanted to throw the game away. If not, than answer me, why didn't he micro his probes at all? Please at least stop arguing against this... | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:24 price wrote: i dont think the two are all that different. scv marine all in basically ruins the game from my perspective. i don't really have any interest watching it. the same goes for a probe rush. naniwa had a strategy, but it was clearly a losing strategy because the game he was playing was meaningless. naniwa said that he could have 4gated too, but that strategy would have also been a waste of time ... Lets not be delusional about this, what bitbybit did was a strategy that had at least 1% probability of working. What naniwa did had 0% chance of working and thus could be seeing as throwing the game. I agree with Goms decision. Whether you believe the game matters or not isn't a choice for progammers to make. Its the people that's paying them. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote: How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. Haha are you serious...? Coca himself no... But you know he threw it for another reason... Guess what that reason is and if that in any way changed an outcome in the competition. Nesta and Naniwa had NO chance whatsoever to change anything! | ||
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bananafone
68 Posts
Hes argument that no one has anything to play for thus the match is useless is a selfish and childish argument. Compare that game to a normal ladder/practice game. Do people not play to win in those either? Should you just dronerush because it doesn't matter anyway? Since the game apperently was worthless you might as well get try and learn something from it. I personally can't think of a much better practicepartner than nestea. He was there to entertain. He didn't deliver. He got punished. | ||
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Asgeir
Norway12 Posts
The decision by GOM is sad, but the right thing to do. But I understand Naniwa's reaction, and strongly believe he didn't mean any harm or insults. I hope to see him in GSL later. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:24 Sc2Null wrote: Sorry to state this but...there are places in the world that believes communism to be good.There is a difference between forcing strategies and "a-moving probes across the map" Sorry are you talking to me? Because i don't see why i need to be lectured on communism or which countries. I was going wtf because the poster i quoted displayed a severe lack of understanding of the meaning of the communism. He probably thought, asian country, yeah sounds like communist to me. | ||
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Kirazaki
United Kingdom42 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote: Choya wintraded and got less shit for it. NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it. HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago. This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. This is 100% The truth but because NaNiwa has a bad reputation GomTV used their power to remove him on unfair grounds from Code S | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:19 Xalorian wrote: There's a problem, tho. It's not the "Korean Starcraft League", it's the "Global Starcraft League"... even worst, it was not GSL, it was Blizzard Cup, wich have nothing to do about GSL in the first place. It could have been hold anywhere. It was not a Korean tournament, it was a blizzard one. So, what's the point? Actually on TLPD, when you head over to the Blizzard Cup page (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Blizzard_Cup). Right at the top it says "GSL Blizzard Cup" Sounds like it has something to do with GSL, no? Also, it seems you have the wrong idea. You think this is ran by Blizzard the company, no it's not. This is a GOMTV event alone, Blizzard played no part in it except for the game itself. Edit: spelling herp derp | ||
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torg
Norway47 Posts
I have no idea what gom is doing. "act of violence". this is just stupuid. Hey. why invite idra to gsl code s ? he always lays his placement mach. even did it in the tourny they invited him from :D | ||
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Merano
Austria105 Posts
2 teams at the end of the season. both have already a fixed spot in the middle of the league - so the game is not really relevant A) one team uses their B team for the match (=4 gate); they try their best, but they lose; fans might be a little bit disappointed but no big deal B) one team refuses to fight at all, the players just hang around on the playing field without showing any real ambition to score (=probe rush); they lose horribly 99 to 0; fans, TV stations and sponsors are shocked | ||
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Flash_one
Korea (South)27 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b7SoZ.jpg) professional 6 probe controlling moment | ||
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Beavo
Canada293 Posts
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Shortynut
Australia78 Posts
Not to mention the fact that everyone who actually watched the live stream was treated to an extended group stage featuring 3 top players, I really think any proper rematch between NaNi and Nestea given the circumstance would've been far worse than this. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:10 Umpteen wrote: As I said: we're all in it together. Since the nuance of this does not seem to have survived transmission, I'll break it down further: Naniwa's team and fans don't exist in a vaccuum any more than he does. They're part of a sport, and it's the sport as a whole that is viable and self-sustaining. Naniwa gets to have sponsors and fans because there is a sport for him to play, right? And it is partly GOM's responsibility, as the organisers of a prestigious tournament, to look after that sport. They judged that regardless of how Naniwa's personal fans felt, his behaviour reflected badly on the sport and should be seen to be punished. What I said before was, essentially, "Even if Naniwa doesn't appreciate it, he must fulfil certain obligations to have a career as a pro-gamer". More properly that can be extended to: "Even if Naniwa and his team and his fans don't appreciate it, he must fulfil certain obligations to have a career as a pro-gamer." Or better yet: "Even if Naniwa and his team and his fans don't appreciate it, all players must fulfil certain obligations for the career of 'pro-gamer' to be a viable one to pursue." So you are saying one has to bow for the law of e-sports in order to be able to play at a high level and earn money from it? This is only partially true. Once you enter a tournament you have to follow it's rules in order to maintain a part of it. In this case what Naniwa did was both right and wrong. The host of GSL happens to be in Korea and is also very sensitive about it's culture, in which respect and sportmanship obviously is not exactly the same as in Europe and US. Did Naniwa do wrong forfeiting the game? In Korea the answer is yes, the foreigners however share a different approach to what happened(after reading 150+ pages of this thread I think we're all pretty exhausted.) But did he break any rules other than the cultural ones? GSL may argue that this is the case* but comparing it to what other players have done in previous games, Naniwas actions are not worthy of this punishment. So what am I trying to say? The problem is not just with Naniwas choice of actions but how GOM handled the whole situation. They basically dissed a big part of the starcraft community and thus why so many of us are mad. (*, "- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours") | ||
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:27 Wallstreet11 wrote: Haha are you serious...? Coca himself no... But you know he threw it for another reason... Guess what that reason is and if that in any way changed an outcome in the competition. Nesta and Naniwa had NO chance whatsoever to change anything! coca wasnt banned/suspended by GOM, his team decided that he shouldnt play in code s any more. | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote: Choya wintraded and got less shit for it. NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it. HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago. This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. 1. what choya did was on ladder but he still got punished for this. It wasn't even in an official tournament like byun/coca 2. Not playing seriously and throwing a game are two different things. 3. Hero just got owned tbh lol..I'm pretty sure no one wants to go 0-4. | ||
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