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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
December 14 2011 15:31 GMT
#3801
Noone gets it he isn't force to play out the game how GomTV wants him to he can 6 probe rush if he wants to ... it doesn't matter how viable or not the strategy is .... Don't you get it he did nothing against the RULES
Never GG MKP | IdrA
droxe
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany95 Posts
December 14 2011 15:31 GMT
#3802
On December 15 2011 00:29 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:17 azka wrote:
MGL earned Naniwa a spot in Blizz Cup, not in Code S.

GOM is choosing 2 foreigner seeds for their Jan Code S, one of them was Naniwa. Now, instead Naniwa they choose Sen. They aren't taking anything from Naniwa, simply they will invite someone else.

IMO, giving spots for code S to foreigners for free... its like saying "we know foreigners can't compete, but its good PR so we are giving them some spots".

Anyway, I'm ok with them not inviting Naniwa... honestly its a light punishment since Naniwa didn't earned that spot (I repeat, he earned the Blizz Cup spot from MLG, and just that), if you ask me... he deserves a temp ban, but w/e. In other hand I don't like they inviting Idra and Sen for free... but it's their tournament and anyway it will be fun to see Idra and Sen fighting Korean Terrans.

Mlg also earned him a Code S seed because leenock was already code S


Nope, he didn't, and Slasher even posted it on his Twitter.
Elizar
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany431 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3803
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote:
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On December 15 2011 00:14 Shinespark wrote:
Ridiculous. Coca cheats and Naniwa just worker rushes in a game that doesn't even matter and they both get the same punishment?

At the very least it's likely that Nani is going to start playing by the book instead of being a "bad boy".


How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani.


Coca he threw the game to give his friend sth huge to gain: a possible coda-A spot.
nani got nothing, and guess what, nesta didn´t get anything as well
to compare that and give coca the better position is plain wrong!
hagrin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3804
Want to Buy: R1ch taking all the posts in this thread, taking the poster's posting location and making a heat map of support for GOM / support for Naniwa. Would be ... interesting.

Good times, good times.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3805
On December 15 2011 00:30 DrGreen wrote:
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On December 15 2011 00:28 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote:
Choya wintraded and got less shit for it.
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.

This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances.


1. what choya did was on ladder but he still got punished for this. It wasn't even in an official tournament like byun/coca
2. Not playing seriously and throwing a game are two different things.
3. Hero just got owned tbh lol..I'm pretty sure no one wants to go 0-4.


Hero played like crap after losing first games. He was tilted and so was Naniwa.


Being tilted is not the same as trying to lose.
Echo_
Profile Joined November 2010
48 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3806
On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote:
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On December 15 2011 00:25 Echo_ wrote:
This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate.


People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about..

In no way was I saying that he should do THIS EXACT SITUATION. He just needed to not do what he did. Literally.

He could have proxy 2 gated, cannoned, mass void ray, Mothership rush, anything.

He could have played it like a ladder game.
IMMvp / AcerMMA / NSHjjakji / MarineKingPrime / STBomber / SKTFantasy / STXINnoVation / KTFlash
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 15:32:47
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3807
On December 15 2011 00:31 Mecker wrote:
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On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote:
Choya wintraded and got less shit for it.
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.

This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances.

Racism, blatantly. Boycotting GSL until we get an official apology from them.


its racism now? I've heard everything

fyi, his "examples" doesn't even fit
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3808
On December 15 2011 00:29 JiPrime wrote:
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On December 15 2011 00:27 Kirazaki wrote:
I feel GOM went too far. Some sort of warning or a lesser punishment I could have understood, but this is ridiculous. Wont be buying any GSL season tickets for at least the next 6-12 months. I am not a huge Naniwa fan but this is ridiculous.


It's a 1-month ban from competition.

If anything, it's a slap on the wrist.

Anyone who is against this decision needs to think again carefully, because they're looking like fools right now.

Isn't it more like 2 months now with the new format? That is a lot.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3809
On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:25 Echo_ wrote:
This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate.


People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about..


I agree, but i still think Naniwa could have Cannon rushed, proxy gates, fast DT, or something.

What he did had 0 % of winning, and even worse he didn't even micro the probes.

Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3810
And can you all please stop saying that Naniwa got banned for probe-rushing.

He got banned cause he threw the game. It was apparent and can be deduced by anyone with a semblance of human intelligence. So stop using probe rushing and trying to compare it to other strategies because you have missed the whole fucking point and your not helping anything by arguing on this.

Naniwa got punished for giving up a game that he was obliged to play. That is unprofessional. I'm not gonna talk about the severity of the punishment, but anyone who thinks that Naniwa did the right thing is wrong.

If he tried any other strat that might have worked, that would have at least hidden his intention to throw away the game completely. Its not about the action itself, its about what his actions conveyed.

So stop missing the point and stop trying to argue about something that dosen't fucking matter at all. It breaks my brain to see some of the posts here trying to compare strategies now.
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
December 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#3811
On December 15 2011 00:19 Slanina wrote:
He offended us, the fans, and he offended the GSL and its tradition. Naniwa simply doesnt have the mindset and the spirit of a champion yet. When he stops behaving like a child, he will stop being treated like one. Simple and easy.



Thank you for speaking on my behalf, although I am a fan, I was not offended about what Naniwa did. Disappointed? Sure, but more so because of his behavior then anything else.
dude_2
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany22 Posts
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3812
i didn't read the whole thread. so sorry if someone has already written the same. but i am really wondering from the pages i have read, how people can argue there exists no throwing away of games in "real" sports. for example, it's pretty common in champions league (football) that already qualified teams send their b-team which is also a huge distortion of competition all the while other teams still playing for a spot.
anyone who has ever competed in sports knows that you don't play to your potential in a meaningless match and often don't make a real effort.
naniwa made it pretty obvious given that, but i as the audience can't blame him for that.
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3813
Any press release from GOM and reaction from Naniwa or Quantic?
You play to win
milky_muh
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden38 Posts
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3814
I love Naniwa but I think this was a good decision by GOMTV. This is not how SC2 Tournament matches are supposed to be, even if the match doesn't matter. No player will ever be above a tournament and that is something every player should know. Maybe it was a bit harsh but still some kind of punishment had to be done!

GL in future Naniwa!!

Hopefully Naniwa has now reached the turn point were he understands that he has to be the change!
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3815
On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:25 Echo_ wrote:
This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate.


People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about..


Is isn't, but at least there should be a strategy.. to do something... sitting there propped up on one arm and right clicking your probes to the enemy base really isn't much of a strategy..
Yargh
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3816
On December 15 2011 00:32 Elizar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote:
On December 15 2011 00:14 Shinespark wrote:
Ridiculous. Coca cheats and Naniwa just worker rushes in a game that doesn't even matter and they both get the same punishment?

At the very least it's likely that Nani is going to start playing by the book instead of being a "bad boy".


How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani.


Coca he threw the game to give his friend sth huge to gain: a possible coda-A spot.
nani got nothing, and guess what, nesta didn´t get anything as well
to compare that and give coca the better position is plain wrong!

There was no Code A spot to gain as has been stated millions of times before.

And even so CoCa got the worst punishment of the two so shouldn't even be complaining.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
tlin
Profile Joined December 2011
25 Posts
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3817
On December 15 2011 00:28 Sc2Null wrote:
1. what choya did was on ladder but he still got punished for this. It wasn't even in an official tournament like byun/coca
2. Not playing seriously and throwing a game are two different things.
3. Hero just got owned tbh lol..I'm pretty sure no one wants to go 0-4.

1. Ladder stats was a requirement for Code S at the time.
2. Really? So GSL would have been cool with a 12 probe rush then? After all it has about the same chance of winning yet could be construed as "not playing seriously" by anyone with half a brain.
3. He went with a cannon strategy that completely relies on killing off the Zerg's Overlords with an air opener. Only he didn't go air.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 15:35:34
December 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#3818
On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:25 Echo_ wrote:
This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate.


People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about..

Which is the sad thing in the whole situation. Nobody would of complained if it was a stupid 4 gate or... useless cannons at a watch tower but they whine and punish when a player comes out and openly gives up a game rather than deceiving them because it is a useless game.


You change the rules, not punish the player on made up rules. That's what ESWC(i think) did when Stephano+bratok both forfeited their games. A player plays to WIN. Despite people's popular belief that a player owes the fans something, he doesn't. He plays a game he loves and plays it to win. period.
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
December 14 2011 15:34 GMT
#3819
The point isn't that "it was a meaningless match" and that a 2-gate or cannon rush would be equally unsuccessful as a probe rush; the probe rush was a blatant and deliberate middle finger to the tournament, to GOM, to quantic and to the scene as a whole. It was not conduct befitting of a professional.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 14 2011 15:34 GMT
#3820
I wasn't bothered to read the shitstorm from 100 onwards... but I feel really sorry for NaNiwa. Honestly, he was 0-3, and to play a match that determines nothing but who finishes off 0-4 is stupid. To ban NaNiwa for a bad format like that and give him a warning that severe is just stupid in my opinion. Really pissed off with the racism vs Swedish fans TT
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