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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:35 XRaDiiX wrote: Again another Display of GomTVs Double Standards. They crossed the line on this decision completely. Did you miss the 15 posts that refuted that post? | ||
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droxe
Germany95 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:33 dude_2 wrote: i didn't read the whole thread. so sorry if someone has already written the same. but i am really wondering from the pages i have read, how people can argue there exists no throwing away of games in "real" sports. for example, it's pretty common in champions league (football) that already qualified teams send their b-team which is also a huge distortion of competition all the while other teams still playing for a spot. anyone who has ever competed in sports knows that you don't play to your potential in a meaningless match and often don't make a real effort. naniwa made it pretty obvious given that, but i as the audience can't blame him for that. True, but it's not like the b-teamers aren't trying to at least show an entertaining game, even if the team is not playing to the best of its ability by sending its best. What Naniwa did is kind of like a sports team forfeiting a game by passing the ball to the enemy whole game or leaving the goal unguarded.. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:33 Femari wrote: There was no Code A spot to gain as has been stated millions of times before. And even so CoCa got the worst punishment of the two so shouldn't even be complaining. Wasn't there? The TL news post said Coca threw the game because of Code A, but I haven't checked other sources myself. Coca was punished by his team, though, not by Gom. Gom took issue with the profanity in the chat, apparently, and to be fair they may well have punished him if the team hadn't, but no way to know in what way. | ||
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sLiMpoweR
United States430 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:36 Jonoman92 wrote: Are you fucking kidding me. This is absolutely ridiculous. Can't say I've ever spent a penny on any of the GSL subscriptions before now, but I definitely won't be anytime soon either. I really hope they reconsider this. It's absolutely horrendous. How did he violate this rule? Like he said, if he'd 4-gated no one would've cared. It was a pointless game.Give me a break, with all the high-level sc2 being played nowadays it just isn't important. Exactly what i've been trying to say they can't force him to do certain strategy. He chose to do 6 probe rush and that was his free will of choice to do for that game. There is no rule where GomTV says you have to play a certain strategy or can/can't play certain strats | ||
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theaxis12
United States489 Posts
2. Naniwa was an asshole who disrespected his opponent, the league and its place within the community, by throwing a match on the largest stage sc2 has to offer. Therefore 3 Naniwa has no right to play in GSL Good job GOM for enforcing a level of professionalism in what you are trying to make a legitimate sport. However, i must say that perhaps it would just be best to cancel irrelevant matches in the future so this issue does not come up. I know the people want to see them anyways, but it only takes one player not valuing his fans to start all kinds of problems. IMO MC had it right, lets look to White-ra for an example of how things should be done in e-sports. It just as much about winning as making GG for your fans. | ||
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hALLE
Sweden19 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:02 Clearout wrote: Gah gonna post it here too: GOM's rules do not say offending or abusive they say "Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience." So there are two possiblities: 1. Either they are doing this without basis in any of their rules, which makes it an very harsh punishment considering they can do this completely on their whims, basing it on their subjective opinion of a players behaviour. 2. The rule has been translated wrong or can be enterpreted differently in Korean. Which means they are using a rule which is not clear for a foreigner to throw out a punishment noone can expect for their actions, which is also not justifiable IMO. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582 Quoting this to get people to talk about, didnt see any replies after it was posted. I think this is an excellent post. If the rule they say they are basing it on doesnt exist/is findable on their site this all seems very weird to me. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote: People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about..  It requires a strategy. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:37 Tobberoth wrote: Expectation: The next time Naniwa plays vs a korean in a tournament, we'll get a "Where are your probes?" from the korean about 1 minute into the game. That's what my cousin in Korea was going to do! :D | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:35 XRaDiiX wrote: Again another Display of GomTVs Double Standards. They crossed the line on this decision completely. Why are people saying hero threw the game. Can they even deduce? Can they be 100% sure of it? What if hero just played badly? However, we are 100% sure that Naniwa threw the game. So bad luck to him, but this world is about keeping up appearances. So all those "keep up appearances are disgusting" people, please stop as i'm pretty sure thats what we all do everyday in our lives. If not, there will always be more conflict, thank you. | ||
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RaZaCGaming
Netherlands4 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:37 Femari wrote: Did you miss the 15 posts that refuted that post? Choya didn't lose Code S he only got boot from GSTL bud. = Double Standard | ||
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duckmaster
687 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:34 poorcloud wrote: This. People need to think before they post. And read up before they try to pass opinion as fact. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Weekly_14 There is still prize money involved. Stop acting like their games were meaningless, because they were far from it. | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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iglocska
Norway589 Posts
A lot of people here were arguing that a football team sending their B team to a match that has no value is the same as naniwa a-moving his probes into his opponents base. The reality is that doing a standard all-in like a 4gate / well known 2 base timing would be equal to sending the B-team and the probe a-move is the same as the players being fielded just standing still for the duration of the match. | ||
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Apachesc2
Sweden5 Posts
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:37 Kanaz wrote: I agree with GOM TV. TBH i fully support their descision. As MC mentioned, he is harming E sport. GSL and other big tournaments is only out there, because sponsors are willing to put some money in it. The sponsors care for the audience - and the audience do not approve Naniwa throwing games on purpose, just cause of his selfish thinking. His selfish thinking actually was, that he didn't think he would be able to give his absolute best, so he would rather not play at all instead of disappointing his fans and audience even more. I don't think Koreans bothered to translate his interview, where he explained it. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10698 Posts
Losing on purpose, which a 1 handed unmicroed properush is, is not the same as giving not 100%, that would be playing and outmicroing a proxygate or 4 gate or other cheesy/fast strategy... Even a 2 gate with all probes pulled would be ok WHEN microed. What is not ok, is to try to lose asap. It's totally ok to punish that.. | ||
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