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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 00:33 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote:On December 15 2011 00:25 Echo_ wrote:
This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate. People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about..  A player plays to WIN. Despite people's popular belief that a player owes the fans something, he doesn't. He plays a game he loves and plays it to win. period.
If he loves the game then surely he can understand why someone who pays money to watch him play would expect him not to waste their time and money (not probe rush)?
You can't say you love the game, and then that you only play for money. If he truly loved the game he would play it like a ladder match. No one would expect him to show off his awesome new strat he found in practice, but they do expect him to show the game and the fans and the tournament some damn respect.
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How can GOMtv revoke Naniwas Code S spot if he was never given it? (According to MLG)... By that statement they are agreeing that he has been given it...
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lol gomtv is a bunch of kids
If you wanna be tough, give him some sort of a 'final warning'. ffs he's a kid
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I'm glad GOMTV has these completely ambigious rules that they can apply however they feel necessary so they can keep things exactly as they want it with no injustices whatsoever.
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Stop arguing, naniwa did a bad thing and im sure he regrets it now.
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excllent decision by gomtv sen and idra woohoooo
already got the season 1 pass oh yeah
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On December 15 2011 00:38 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:29 Pholon wrote:On December 15 2011 00:25 Echo_ wrote:
This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate. People need to stop saying this. Requiring a certain strategy of a player is the complete opposite of what SC is all about.. It requires a strategy.
So tell use what is a valid strategy and not then. What if he built a gateway, a zealot, boxed his probes and tried to micro? Useless strategy but a strategy.
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What if Nestea wasn't watching his drones for a sec, lost more than he could suffer and naniwa won? 
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On December 15 2011 00:39 duckmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:34 poorcloud wrote:On December 15 2011 00:33 Femari wrote:On December 15 2011 00:32 Elizar wrote:On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote:On December 15 2011 00:14 Shinespark wrote:
Ridiculous. Coca cheats and Naniwa just worker rushes in a game that doesn't even matter and they both get the same punishment?
At the very least it's likely that Nani is going to start playing by the book instead of being a "bad boy". How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. Coca he threw the game to give his friend sth huge to gain: a possible coda-A spot. nani got nothing, and guess what, nesta didn´t get anything as well to compare that and give coca the better position is plain wrong! There was no Code A spot to gain as has been stated millions of times before. And even so CoCa got the worst punishment of the two so shouldn't even be complaining. This. People need to think before they post. And read up before they try to pass opinion as fact. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Weekly_14There is still prize money involved. Stop acting like their games were meaningless, because they were far from it.
Yeah, because $100 and a code A spot are similar in value.
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On December 15 2011 00:31 Mecker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote:
Choya wintraded and got less shit for it.
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.
This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. Racism, blatantly. Boycotting GSL until we get an official apology from them.
Really? RACISM?
THEY ARE GIVING FREE SPOTS INTO CODE S FOR FOREIGNERS. They WANT FOREIGNERS in their tournament. They have been trying to force foreigners into Code S by giving free spots into Code A. The only one to get into Code S was Huk; all the other foreigners failed.
It's crazy to think people actually believe Mr. Chae and GOM are trying to make it an all Korean league. If they wanted that, it would be simple: make foreigners qualify like everyone else through the Code A qualifiers.
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I'm not sure if I'm going to buy another GSL subscription ever again. They are pissed everyone saw how flawed their format is and Naniwa now has to pay for it. Instead of basically banning him for a season they should clarify what is considered a valid strategy and change their format so this shit doesn't happen again.
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On December 15 2011 00:14 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:09 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 00:08 noaki wrote:
I don't care if his spot is revoked, don't like him anyway, but if you probe rush or instead play some random all-in just to get over the game is pretty much the same, don't see how this is more offensive then just a lousy 4gate. And imo manner mules etc are way more bm than this. This..... i still don't understand how people think GomTV has ground to revoke his Code S invite when probe rushing is no different than Bombers Manner Mules... or MC's Taunts... GOM can deny whoever they want. Code S is a privelage, not a right. You fuck up then you lose it. Naniwa threw a game which he himself agreed to play. He in turn made himself look bad in addition to making GOM look bad for having him in the tournament. You throw a game, you're punished. It's how the world should be.
This deserves a plus one.
Playing in a tournament is a PRIVILEGE not a right. And its not only so much Naniwa's actions, but his interviews that revealed that he didn't try at all and just simply wanted to throw the game. I'm pretty sure GOM took that into consideration.
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On December 15 2011 00:38 stratmatt wrote:
Was naniwa being paid $$$$ to participate in blizzard cup whether it be in the form of cash, gifts, travel expenses, living expenses, etc...? If he was, then he has an obligation to play the tournament games like a professional. If he wasnt, than ok I guess I could understand his protest however ill concieved. But if he was, than he seriously needs to reevalute his career choice and whether or not he is up to the task of carrying himself like a pro and not, as mr chae said perfectly, an 'ameteur prize hunter'.
Sure was. GOM goes WAY out of their way to allow foreigners to be in the year ending tournament and goes WAY out of their way to get foreigners in Code A and Code S, and one of said foreigners gives them the middle finger as a thank you for accommodating them. LOL @ everyone defending Nani. I paid $10 to watch the tournament, not some child basically refuse to play. GOM goes out of their way to let foreigners into the most prestigious Starcraft league, and this is how they get repaid, and people are mad at GOM? Please...
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On December 15 2011 00:39 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:37 Femari wrote:On December 15 2011 00:35 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote:
Choya wintraded and got less shit for it.
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.
This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. Again another Display of GomTVs Double Standards. They crossed the line on this decision completely. Did you miss the 15 posts that refuted that post? Choya didn't lose Code S he only got boot from GSTL bud. = Double Standard
It was ladder if i'm not wrong. And i'm pretty sure it was on a much smaller scale.
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Can we get something straight. 90% of the arguments here are entirely invalid because they are built on a false premise. Naniwa did not have anything he earned taken away from him. GOM was considering giving him a Code S spot. Naniwa didnt earn one from anywhere as far as I know.
Naniwa displayed a lack of respect for the very people that invited him to the tournament he disgraced. Now people are claiming GOM is stepping over the line by not gracing the guy that offended them with a free code S invite? How the hell does that make any sense.
If you were going to give your friend something nice for their birthday, but they slept with your girlfriend in the meantime. Do you still have to give them the gift because you had thoughts of giving it to him before hand?
These arguments are all based on the premise that he earned a code S spot, which he didnt. His punishment for his actions, is not being given a free code S spot over someone that didnt act inappropriately. Thats more than reasonable.
And anyone claiming racism as a factor, get a grip.
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On December 15 2011 00:29 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:27 Kirazaki wrote:
I feel GOM went too far. Some sort of warning or a lesser punishment I could have understood, but this is ridiculous. Wont be buying any GSL season tickets for at least the next 6-12 months. I am not a huge Naniwa fan but this is ridiculous. It's a 1-month ban from competition. If anything, it's a slap on the wrist. Anyone who is against this decision needs to think again carefully, because they're looking like fools right now.
I can't believe I'm saying this,but I agree with you.
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On December 15 2011 00:39 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:37 Femari wrote:On December 15 2011 00:35 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote:
Choya wintraded and got less shit for it.
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.
This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. Again another Display of GomTVs Double Standards. They crossed the line on this decision completely. Did you miss the 15 posts that refuted that post? Choya didn't lose Code S he only got boot from GSTL bud. = Double Standard
So him being punished for what he did is irrelevant cause you don't like the punishment. Bahahaha okay keep thinking narrowly.
On December 15 2011 00:37 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:33 Femari wrote:On December 15 2011 00:32 Elizar wrote:On December 15 2011 00:15 iglocska wrote:On December 15 2011 00:14 Shinespark wrote:
Ridiculous. Coca cheats and Naniwa just worker rushes in a game that doesn't even matter and they both get the same punishment?
At the very least it's likely that Nani is going to start playing by the book instead of being a "bad boy". How was Coca cheating? He threw a game that he had nothing to gain from. You know, kinda like Nani. Coca he threw the game to give his friend sth huge to gain: a possible coda-A spot. nani got nothing, and guess what, nesta didn´t get anything as well to compare that and give coca the better position is plain wrong! There was no Code A spot to gain as has been stated millions of times before. And even so CoCa got the worst punishment of the two so shouldn't even be complaining. Wasn't there? The TL news post said Coca threw the game because of Code A, but I haven't checked other sources myself. Coca was punished by his team, though, not by Gom. Gom took issue with the profanity in the chat, apparently, and to be fair they may well have punished him if the team hadn't, but no way to know in what way.
Mr. Chae said on TL that there was no deal in place at the time for a Code A spot.
And GOM would've taken action if SlayerS didn't. With sAviOr only being a year and a half old it's fresh in all our minds and all GOM did was let SlayerS save face by imposing the punishments themselves.
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On December 15 2011 00:35 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:26 tlin wrote:
Choya wintraded and got less shit for it.
NesTea admitted not playing seriously against HuK and losing for it.
HerO threw a game against DRG just two days ago.
This has nothing to do with "honor" and everything to do with keeping up appearances. Again another Display of GomTVs Double Standards. They crossed the line on this decision completely.
Do you even read any explanations for those examples? Choya got less shit? He was banned from a tournament. NaNiwa isn't even banned. NesTea vs. HuK was a showmatch. HerO at least had a hand on keyboard and played out the game even after a terrible cannon rush.
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This is a great choice by GOM. We pay to see to Starcraft matches, if players can't provide entertaining ones then they shouldn't play. In this sense it is just like the UFC, who supports fighters who provide entertaining fights win or lose. In the end, entertainment that is how the UFC and GOM makes money.
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On December 15 2011 00:14 IplayTerran wrote:
So he got punished for breaking what rule?I can't seem to find the rule he broke on either the korean gom.tv side or the english one.But well,they would have pulled out a rule out of nowhere just to punish him I guess.
This fact makes the action by gom quite questionable.
It seems like: "He broke a rule we just now created and which wasn't in the official rules until now."
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