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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Just waiting for the cool totally imbalanced for all races maps. Those are the best, atleast in bw. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
In fact, when you look at the alternative, I would argue that it's better (for the new players, that is) to go against these big-names instead of being pitted against other lesser-known new players, and having the big-names go up against other big-names, thus making the brackets unfairly easier for the new players (that is if you go by the assumption that the new players are worse, and you have to assume that to make the argument that it's bracket rigging). This reduces the incidents of big-names being forced to knock each other out of the tournament very early, which I think I speak for more than myself when I say that really sucks, and it allows the new players to really prove their worth and leapfrog into stardom. Foxer is a pretty good example of this - he had one of the toughest brackets of any player in all of the GSLs, going through Fruit Dealer, SangHo, Kyrix, and then Rainbow to make it into the finals, yet he bulldozed them all and almost won the tournament despite being a lesser-known player compared to all of those guys. His incredibly prestigious victories are what made him famous, no one remembers the guy who beat the likes of BanBanssu or Aya or whomever in the first round. Boxer is just some guy as far as SC2 is concerned, he's famous but he hasn't proven himself to be on some godlike level of skill relative to the other competitors yet. Why is it terribly damaging to esports for newcomer so-and-so to face him, and who should they be facing instead? Remember no matter who they pick to go up against Boxer, it's still going to be a guy who qualified when dudes like Nada and SangHo didn't, unless you're saying they rigged the preliminaries too just to find easy dudes for Boxer to go up against. If they can't beat a player on the level of Boxer, who, again, hasn't shown himself to be amazing or anything yet, then they weren't going to win the tournament anyways. You qualify and enter the Ro64, you should be prepared to face anyone, and I don't see how that's bad for esports. Honestly though, I think it's a moot argument and if there is bracket rigging going on, it's a futile attempt, because right now the player scene is so volatile and the game evolving so quickly, you absolutely cannot expect that just because a guy's bracket has lesser-known players, that he's going to have an easier time. We've had huge upsets over and over, and not just from dudes like Foxer who then later proved he was just as good as any BW big-name. And don't worry, even if these new guys get knocked out in the first round, if they still put up a tough fight for the big-namers, they will definitely get recognition, no concerns necessary there. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Also, KeSPA doesn't pick the brackets in the Ro16, the players do. Flash and Jaedong met in EVER 2009 Ro8. Jaedong had to play Stork and various other top class players to get to the Korean Air S2 final. He even had to qualify from scratch because he failed in S1. Moreover, Flash and Jaedong have proven many many times that they are wayyy ahead of the rest of everyone else in their recent reign of dominance. Boxer is still relatively unproven in SC2 - any sort of bias towards him would be seen as favoritism and thus rigging. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 01 2010 01:26 sihyunie wrote: Here's my quick translation. If we do a random drawing and post a video, there will be people claiming that the box is rigged and we'd have no way to prove it. There was a similar concern last season, so we wanted to do a drawing with gamers present for season 3, but there was only 1 week between the seasons, and there was Gstar, so a lot of staff and gamers were in Busan, so we at GomTV did the drawing ourselves. We put top 4 players from last season in each bracket, then tried to split each race evenly into each bracket. If we follow this strictly, all 4 brackets would look the same, so we gave some flexibility. So each bracket has 6~8 zergs, 5~7 terrans and 3 protosses. Also there are rumors regarding map selection. We finish up the schedule, then have excel generate a random number between 1 and 9, and had a corresponding map for each number, such as Steppes for 1, Blistering for 2, Jungle Basin for 3, etc. Some people don't seem to like that players from the same guild ended up meeting each other, but if we did the redrawing to avoid that, wouldn't that really be rigging? That does not add up with what people quote john/junka saying. If their selection was randomized he wouldn't have had any issues participating with the tourney because he couldn't effectively dictate where he would be in the bracket. Also that obviously isn't the entire process (boxer vs nada last season) | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
look A : its not right, it was all luck based with gsl only putting him in a favorable ro64 starting position B : its not right, gsl didnt do anything C : its true, boxer did get some help in ahving easy opponents D : its true, seeing as how he was good ni s2 they put him in a lot of tvts in s3 E : its true, they only let him play tvts because they rigged every match (and ofc they knew that tvt was his good match up..) if they didnt rig it, u loko like an idiot if they did rig it, u are an idiot for trying to kill e-sports in korea just to be a bit more known how the hell did gsl know that hes good in tvts beforehand? what if him good being at tvt is because he had to play so many and practice only them? what if ur gonna create some scandal which isnt right and still hurts esports? what if ur gonna create something big : arguments for kespa, hate from more koreans, etc. etc. even if it was true i see no fucking reason to post it like an idiot, its a loss loss situations in both cases oh my god | ||
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
On December 01 2010 02:41 Piy wrote: Didn't NesTea play like 4 sets of ZvZ? It's a bit suspicious but could be a coincidence. I don't think GOM (or anyone in the world) can predict that accurately GSL results that far. Maybe they do setup some in RO64, but further than that, they won't know what will happen (who will advance). | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:08 OutlaW- wrote: gratz man now mym posted this bullshit because of u look A : its not right, it was all luck based with gsl only putting him in a favorable ro64 starting position B : its not right, gsl didnt do anything C : its true, boxer did get some help in ahving easy opponents D : its true, seeing as how he was good ni s2 they put him in a lot of tvts in s3 E : its true, they only let him play tvts because they rigged every match (and ofc they knew that tvt was his good match up..) if they didnt rig it, u loko like an idiot if they did rig it, u are an idiot for trying to kill e-sports in korea just to be a bit more known how the hell did gsl know that hes good in tvts beforehand? what if him good being at tvt is because he had to play so many and practice only them? what if ur gonna create some scandal which isnt right and still hurts esports? what if ur gonna create something big : arguments for kespa, hate from more koreans, etc. etc. even if it was true i see no fucking reason to post it like an idiot, its a loss loss situations in both cases oh my god This mentality is problematic, how is it killing e-sports by demanding a high level of integrity to make the competition legitimate? | ||
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MementoMori
Canada419 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:08 OutlaW- wrote: if they didnt rig it, u loko like an idiot if they did rig it, u are an idiot for trying to kill e-sports in korea just to be a bit more known Well the problem is that this will probably never be proven either way. Because how can you really? On the off chance it is, It can only really be proven that it was rigged not that it wasn't. As is the problem with all conspiracy theories. I just feel like if he didn't create this thread somebody else would have. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:11 robertdinh wrote: This mentality is problematic, how is it killing e-sports by demanding a high level of integrity to make the competition legitimate? so you want gretech to be in a scandal and be forced to pay money and get hate from korea??? there are always things happening behind people's backs, but often it's for the good he just revelead the good happening behind peoples backs and its maybe gonna force an unnecessary scandal that will hurt e sports the competition is legitimate either way, its not like they do that often, that would be too obvious and maybe all this blasphemy is for nothing and it was luck based, with gretech only putting hmi on a favorable ro64 not to get knocked out too early, and it just turned that the terrans were winning a lot and he just got lucky edit : to the opst above i know someoone would eventually make this topic, it wasnt really pointed at him and if it never gets proven then all it does is create negative theories and it will hurt gretech in the future anyway.. pointless | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:16 OutlaW- wrote: so you want gretech to be in a scandal and be forced to pay money and get hate from korea??? there are always things happening behind people's backs, but often it's for the good he just revelead the good happening behind peoples backs and its maybe gonna force an unnecessary scandal that will hurt e sports the competition is legitimate either way, its not like they do that often, that would be too obvious and maybe all this blasphemy is for nothing and it was luck based, with gretech only putting hmi on a favorable ro64 not to get knocked out too early, and it just turned that the terrans were winning a lot and he just got lucky edit : to the opst above i know someoone would eventually make this topic, it wasnt really pointed at him and if it never gets proven then all it does is create negative theories and it will hurt gretech in the future anyway.. pointless It's for the good for who? Not for people who want the competitions to be completely legitimate. For blizzard/gom it is for the good, since they are trying to hype the game up any way they can because it is profitable to them. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On November 30 2010 14:51 theherder2 wrote: uh what? The current ratio in TvT should be 100% T wins. Learn to math? fail. 1 terran lose, 1 terran wins. 50%, learn to math yourself sir | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:08 OutlaW- wrote: gratz man now mym posted this bullshit because of u look A : its not right, it was all luck based with gsl only putting him in a favorable ro64 starting position B : its not right, gsl didnt do anything C : its true, boxer did get some help in ahving easy opponents D : its true, seeing as how he was good ni s2 they put him in a lot of tvts in s3 E : its true, they only let him play tvts because they rigged every match (and ofc they knew that tvt was his good match up..) if they didnt rig it, u loko like an idiot if they did rig it, u are an idiot for trying to kill e-sports in korea just to be a bit more known how the hell did gsl know that hes good in tvts beforehand? what if him good being at tvt is because he had to play so many and practice only them? what if ur gonna create some scandal which isnt right and still hurts esports? what if ur gonna create something big : arguments for kespa, hate from more koreans, etc. etc. even if it was true i see no fucking reason to post it like an idiot, its a loss loss situations in both cases oh my god Do you think its mere coincidence that Moon and Boxer can meet in the RO8 like Boxer and Nada did last season? And that Moon has the easiest set of maps of any Zerg in the Ro32? | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:18 Plexa wrote: Do you think its mere coincidence that Moon and Boxer can meet in the RO8 like Boxer and Nada did last season? And that Moon has the easiest set of maps of any Zerg in the Ro32? i never said it wasnt true nada x boxer ro8 isnt a coincidence.. if it was a final then maybe, but ro8 is completely normal do u rly think they would be dumb enough to put them together in a ro32? ofc not everything is luck based.. ro8 is good enough. moon could be on the other side of the bracket for them to meet @ finals as well, this is all jsut theorycrafting because of boredom imo | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:18 Plexa wrote: Do you think its mere coincidence that Moon and Boxer can meet in the RO8 like Boxer and Nada did last season? And that Moon has the easiest set of maps of any Zerg in the Ro32? Look again  Winner of Boxer/Polt (ro32) vs winner of Jinro/Moon(ro32) in the ro16. In the possible ro8 there is a possibiliy of Boxer/Polt/Jinro/Moon vs IdrA/MVP/Check/AnnYeong :D | ||
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10fps
103 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:11 robertdinh wrote: This mentality is problematic, how is it killing e-sports by demanding a high level of integrity to make the competition legitimate? The bigger problem is bringing up accusations that have no proof behind it and are just speculation. What the OP implied is now starting to create a snowball that can really damage the GSL and SC2 in Korea in general. It's very dangerous to bring up such claims without anything proving them. I don't agree with rigging but I do believe in "innocent until proven guilty" which doesn't really fit on the internet where the mentality of a lynch mob prevails more often than not. The OP has no ways of proving his claim but GOM TV is in the same boat. Implications are more than enough to create considerable damage to the reputation of the competition if enough people are willing to believe it. And TL is a place where people scream RIGGED after half of the matches anyway (just look the comment on Hyperdub vs MC) so naturally making a post like this is only adding fuel to the fire. The poster is either very irresponsible or willingly acted with malicious intent. The burden on proof isn't and shouldn't be on GOM TV...but that isn't going to help them. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:23 10fps wrote: The bigger problem is bringing up accusations that have no proof behind it and are just speculation. What the OP implied is now starting to create a snowball that can really damage the GSL and SC2 in Korea in general. It's very dangerous to bring up such claims without anything proving them. I don't agree with rigging but I do believe in "innocent until proven guilty" which doesn't really fit on the internet where the mentality of a lynch mob prevails more often than not. The OP has no ways of proving his claim but GOM TV is in the same boat. Implications are more than enough to create considerable damage to the reputation of the competition if enough people are willing to believe it. And TL is a place where people scream RIGGED after half of the matches anyway (just look the comment on Hyperdub vs MC) so naturally making a post like this is only adding fuel to the fire. The poster is either very irresponsible or willingly acted with malicious intent. The burden on proof isn't and shouldn't be on GOM TV...but that isn't going to help them. yea kinda what i said in better words ty its the internet, ofc people want to scream drama and maybe dont realize the damage thsi one can do regardless of if its true ior not | ||
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Weken
United Kingdom580 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 01 2010 02:47 OutlaW- wrote: Guys, often, OSL and MSL are amde so that jaedong meets flash in the finals. FUcking rigging kespa, let's burn them to hell ???? There are previous performances to base judgements off. SC2 has no such thing | ||
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