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Am I the only one that thinks this thread is a bit ridiculous?
-There were less then 20% protoss in round of 64 (and dying quickly)
-SlayersBoxer has the high seed, which gave him a lower seed matchup with potential lower seeds or unknown players in his bracket.
-NEXON was initially listed as playing Z (and likely got thru an easy qualifier path)
-The odds of him getting a round of 32 TvT was "decent" seeing how Polt seems to be a fairly frequent round of 32 participant. Still however fairly far from saying they rigged it or protected him.
-While the odds right "now" of him getting a tvt are improving, when the brackets were initially created... You would be seriously gambling to state that his Round of 16 match was going to be a tvt.
Point is: while things might seem improbable, it's not. It's how things happened when you factor fairly normal tournament bracket forming.
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It's more like Blizzard protecting Boxer, not GOMTV
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On December 01 2010 00:58 Metalwing wrote:
To everybody: You can bash KeSPA all the way you want. But what they do is fucking legit and they don't do obnoxious things to get TV ratings.
It's not fair to compare the current KeSPA to current GOMTV.
Compare the FIRST KeSPA tournaments with the FIRST 3 GSLs and I bet both were unseeded.
On December 01 2010 01:04 Tomken wrote:
It's more like Blizzard protecting Boxer, not GOMTV
Blizzard doesn't make the brackets. It's a 6-person team from GOM.
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Nah, untrue. It would be impossible because brackets are sorta set from qualifiers I believe. Besides, you can't predict who wins previous matches upcoming to boxers match. Unless you all have TvT's before, it really doesn't go that well without having luck.
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On December 01 2010 00:49 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 00:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 01 2010 00:41 Krallin wrote:
Any tournament organizer does this purposefully, you do not want to have name players kicking each other out in the RO64.
The fact is that they don't have meaningful rankings at the moment, so they're forced to really on information like Boxer saying his best MU is TvT.
Once they do have rankings, brackets will probably be determined using them (because this way, they will provide the most interesting/entertaining/uncertain games).
You don't see Nadal playing Federer in the first round of any tennis tournament, do you?
Tennis seeding is based on past performance while GSL seeding is based on what will get the most viewers. What about in the first Tennis match of all time? I bet they rigged it too. I understand rigging is bad but it is MUCH, MUCH better than Jinro vs Ret in the first round of GSL 3. That means one of them would go home with MAYBE Code A and have zero shot at Code S.
Yeah, it makes sense to do it this way at the start. If they don't have a seeding system based on past performance a year from now, it'll be a major issue.
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Hmm, as for the brackets, I hope they'll stop doing it in the upcoming season and start seeding players based on performance. I don't find it that big of a deal now, since they're still in the process of starting up, but they should stop doing that eventually. If they're setting up the maps to be advantageous for certain players on the other hand, that's a pretty big deal, and I really hope that's not the case.
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It's been terribly awkward that Boxer meets relatively less known terran players all the time.
I cannot be sure, but seems a fixed tournament pathway for Boxer.
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On December 01 2010 01:06 EffectS wrote:
Nah, untrue. It would be impossible because brackets are sorta set from qualifiers I believe.
This is untrue. The brackets are "made" by GOM and aren't related to the qualifers.
On December 01 2010 01:06 EffectS wrote:Besides, you can't predict who wins previous matches upcoming to boxers match. Unless you all have TvT's before, it really doesn't go that well without having luck.
I agree with this. I don't think they were really planning out Ro8 matches and stuff like people think they were.
They most assuredly didn't go "NESTEA! That guy sucked horribly in Season 1, but I know for a fact he will just rip through GSL 2 without losing a game until the finals."
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On December 01 2010 01:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 00:49 dcemuser wrote:On December 01 2010 00:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 01 2010 00:41 Krallin wrote:
Any tournament organizer does this purposefully, you do not want to have name players kicking each other out in the RO64.
The fact is that they don't have meaningful rankings at the moment, so they're forced to really on information like Boxer saying his best MU is TvT.
Once they do have rankings, brackets will probably be determined using them (because this way, they will provide the most interesting/entertaining/uncertain games).
You don't see Nadal playing Federer in the first round of any tennis tournament, do you?
Tennis seeding is based on past performance while GSL seeding is based on what will get the most viewers. What about in the first Tennis match of all time? I bet they rigged it too. I understand rigging is bad but it is MUCH, MUCH better than Jinro vs Ret in the first round of GSL 3. That means one of them would go home with MAYBE Code A and have zero shot at Code S. Yeah, it makes sense to do it this way at the start. If they don't have a seeding system based on past performance a year from now, it'll be a major issue.
This pretty much sums it up
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OP says:
Look it looks like GomTV rigged brackets but I don't want to discredit them but I'll show you why I think the brackets are rigged anyways.
80% TvT 10% TvZ and 10% TvP over 2 seasons.
Does not include other factors in except those that benefit his "theory".
Ro64 matches are not randomly aranged which is confirmed by Junkka or GOMTV since the post said they try to separate foreigners and big names. Which is very reasonable and prevents big upsets which could still happen. Which untill this point your "theory" is still valid.
Second Boxer gets 2 times a TvT in his ro64 (theory still valid) but not looking at what the chances of him getting TvT are in the GSL which is 29 in GSL2 and 24 in GSL3 out of possible 64 players (theory still not discredited). You see a lot of TvZ's but you can't just make TvZ's and TvP's. There will still have to be few mirrors and they decided that Boxer gets in them we don't know except that he got them (plausible but theory is still intact).
Everything after ro64 can not be used as facts for your theory AFTER the matches are played because they are dependant on the players and not on the organisation themselves (disproves your theory). If you actually posted this theory before the GSL2 with the knowledge of TvT being his strongest then you would be plausible in saying that they rigged the brackets in such order that Boxer would mostly get TvT's to reach the finals or something but we can't see into the future can we?
There is a thing called upsets LIKE Rainbow who got out in the ro64 by I don't remember who.
All the following rounds after ro64 are unpredictable yet OP concludes GOM sets these all up for Boxer.
Seriously no disrespect to the OP but you are discrediting GOM and Boxer by the way I read your post which I thought to be a little peculiar 
Here's another good future insight. OMG Slayers Boxer will get another TvT in the ro16 against no one other than Jinro!!!!
He will beat Moon and then in the ro8 he will get either Idra(Z)/MVP(T)/Check(Z)/AnnYeong(Z).
U think it's going to be another Terran in the ro8? 1T and 3Z on the other side of the bracket left though I don't know. My own Liquibet says MVP > IdrA and Check > AnnYeong but idk man if Boxer will face MVP in ro8.
Fun theory.
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On December 01 2010 01:05 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 00:58 Metalwing wrote:
To everybody: You can bash KeSPA all the way you want. But what they do is fucking legit and they don't do obnoxious things to get TV ratings. It's not fair to compare the current KeSPA to current GOMTV. Compare the FIRST KeSPA tournaments with the FIRST 3 GSLs and I bet both were unseeded.
WHO needs to compare the current KeSPA? Just who? Look at the tournaments and you can see that every single match in a starleague were played on the identical map pool. So, FoxeR can't walkover on Steppes of War-Jungle Basin-Lost Temple while Jinro is getting a completely different map pool.
Disqualifying people for wrong number of p's, typing 'a' in the chat or ridiculous things like that is nothing compared to this.
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You have absolutely no proof of any of this. For all we know, it can be statistical coincidence. I mean if it wasn't Boxer, it'd some other terran, so why not.
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I would do the same thing.. You have to protect the money makers... Its might sound bad but it is actually a good thing, more viewers and sponsors. Remember that GSL is pretty brand new they have to have a great start cant blame them for trying to get by 
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On November 30 2010 16:14 rawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 15:47 TheDoctor wrote:On November 30 2010 13:52 Klamity wrote:
The current ratio in TvT is 50% T wins. I think it's an extremely fair matchup.
actually its 100% T wins, you fail at basic math No you do. Say you have 3 TvT's, theres 6 T's playing, 3 win, so terrans win 3 games but terrans also lose 3 games, hence terran having a 50% winning percentage.
100% winning percentage for T, 50% of the Ts win
u just dont know english
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Rigging is such a terrible word, and this thread is disgusting. They seed players manually, for an EVEN spread. Anyone can potentially take a game off boxer even if they are unknown so it is in no way a safe bet from gretech to "control" or "predict" the outcome 4 rounds into the tournament since there might be so many upsets (fruitdealer being knocked out of RO32???).
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I don't really think it's set up. There's how many Terrans left? The chances of getting a TvT is huge, especially if your bracket (or win-path, I guess) is predominantly Terran.
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On December 01 2010 01:09 Xxavi wrote:
It's been terribly awkward that Boxer meets relatively less known terran players all the time.
I cannot be sure, but seems a fixed tournament pathway for Boxer.
It's not a free win against Polt, he's pretty decent and has S-class secured afaik.
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If they are a saying map pools are random then they should do lottery style drawings before each map on the show to decide the pool. It would at a little flair to the show and keep it honest at the same time.
It's the difference between "omg he got steps of war! that sucks!" and "damn, that sure is weird so many zergs are getting that map".
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On December 01 2010 01:18 Treemonkeys wrote:
If they are a saying map pools are random then they should do lottery style drawings before each map on the show to decide the pool. It would at a little flair to the show and keep it honest at the same time.
It's the difference between "omg he got steps of war! that sucks!" and "damn, that sure is weird so many zergs are getting that map".
agreed
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Is it ever stated specifically that matchups are random in GSL? If not then there is no conspiracy and they can matchup people however they like.
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