GomTV protecting Boxer? - Page 13

Group A Breakdown:

Terran: 6
Protoss: 3
Zerg: 7

Group B Breakdown:

Terran: 6
Protoss: 3
Zerg: 7

Group C Breakdown:

Terran: 5
Protoss: 3
Zerg: 7
Random: 1

Group D Breakdown:

Terran: 8
Protoss: 2
Zerg: 6

On December 01 2010 01:02 namedplayer wrote:
Here's the GOM-TV OFFICIAL ANSWER ABOUT THIS.

http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?m=community&msgid=4664&c=all&p=1


아울러 대진표에 관한 의견이 나오고 있습니다.
뭐 사실 추첨을 해서 동영상을 올려도 추첨통이 조작되어있다 라고 하시면 저희가 또 그걸 증명할 길이 없습니다.
지난 시즌2에서도 비슷한 의견이 나와서 시즌3에서는 꼭 게이머들이 모인 자리에서 공개추첨을 통해서
대진을 짜려고 마음 먹었습니다.
그런데 시즌2와 3에 일정이 일주일밖에 없었고 스타크래프트2 협회 소양교육 기간에 모여서 추첨을 하려고 했으나,
불참하는 게이머들도 있었고 바로 수요일부터 G-STAR때문에 부산으로 출발하는 게이머들 때문에
어쩔 수 없이 임의로 주최측에서 추첨을 하였습니다.
기본적인 추첨기준은 지난대회 상위4명을 각조에 배치한 후에 종족 비율을 맞춰서 각 조에 Z,T,P 숫자를 맞췄습니다. 하지만 이걸 정확히 같은 숫자로 맞추면 모든 조에서 똑같은 대진만 나올것을 우려해서
특정조에서는 동족전도 간간히 볼 수 있도록 특정 폭으로 종족 비율만 맞추는 것이 오히려 낫다라고 생각했습니다
실제로 동족전이 지금은 오히려 신선한 상황입니다. 재미있기도 하고요
Z는 각조에서 6~8 , T는 각 조에 5~7 P는 수가 너무 적어서 그냥 각조에 3씩 박아뒀습니다.
D조에 심재용 선수가 P인데 T로 표시됐네요 죄송합니다.
사실 이거 때문에 큰 오해가 발생한 것 같아서 제 자신의 한심함을 탓하고 있습니다.. (플래쉬로 제작한건데 사용법을 잘 모르다보니..여러가지 오타가)
혹시나 또 대진맵을 조작했다는 말도 나올거 같아서 지금 아예 말씀드립니다
대진맵은 시즌1,2에선 제외맵을 받은 후에 추첨,혹은 사다리타기로 추첨을 했습니다.
하지만 시즌3는 제외맵이 없기때문에
일정을 짜둔 후에 엑셀 함수 명령중에 1부터 9까지 랜덤함수를 발생시키는 명령어가 있습니다.
해당 명령어로 1부터 9까지 맵 공란에 써두고 1번은 전부다 전쟁초원 , 2번은 폭염사막 , 3번은 밀림 분지
와 같은 방식으로 추첨했습니다
특정 길드가 64강에서 만난것도 불만이 있으신 것 같은데 추첨을 했는데 같은 길드끼리 만났다고 다시 추첨을 하면
그게 오히려 조작이 아닐까요..

explanation about brackets from Korean commentator Che. I'm not really good at English so it would be great if someone translate this.

On December 01 2010 01:28 DentThat wrote:
It seems they are trying too hard to prove how unrigged things were...

On December 01 2010 01:26 sihyunie wrote:


Here's my quick translation.

If we do a random drawing and post a video, there will be people claiming that the box is rigged and we'd have no way to prove it.
There was a similar concern last season, so we wanted to do a drawing with gamers present for season 3, but there was only 1 week between the seasons, and there was Gstar, so a lot of staff and gamers were in Busan, so we at GomTV did the drawing ourselves.
We put top 4 players from last season in each bracket, then tried to split each race evenly into each bracket. If we follow this strictly, all 4 brackets would look the same, so we gave some flexibility. So each bracket has 6~8 zergs, 5~7 terrans and 3 protosses.
Also there are rumors regarding map selection. We finish up the schedule, then have excel generate a random number between 1 and 9, and had a corresponding map for each number, such as Steppes for 1, Blistering for 2, Jungle Basin for 3, etc.
Some people don't seem to like that players from the same guild ended up meeting each other, but if we did the redrawing to avoid that, wouldn't that really be rigging?

On December 01 2010 01:26 sihyunie wrote:


Here's my quick translation.

If we do a random drawing and post a video, there will be people claiming that the box is rigged and we'd have no way to prove it.
There was a similar concern last season, so we wanted to do a drawing with gamers present for season 3, but there was only 1 week between the seasons, and there was Gstar, so a lot of staff and gamers were in Busan, so we at GomTV did the drawing ourselves.
We put top 4 players from last season in each bracket, then tried to split each race evenly into each bracket. If we follow this strictly, all 4 brackets would look the same, so we gave some flexibility. So each bracket has 6~8 zergs, 5~7 terrans and 3 protosses.
Also there are rumors regarding map selection. We finish up the schedule, then have excel generate a random number between 1 and 9, and had a corresponding map for each number, such as Steppes for 1, Blistering for 2, Jungle Basin for 3, etc.
Some people don't seem to like that players from the same guild ended up meeting each other, but if we did the redrawing to avoid that, wouldn't that really be rigging?

On December 01 2010 01:52 MementoMori wrote:
Take the Nada vs Boxer game that keeps getting brought up. Some people are saying it was rigged that they would play. Well why not in the finals? Why not in the semi finals? What about the theory that it's good not to have top players have games before the end of the tournament? What about keeping them both in the tournament for as long as possible to keep fans of each watching as long as possible? Not everything is a conspiracy. What situation would it take to make people say "ok it's not rigged"? I bet you it would take 2 top players playing eachother in the round of 64. But then people would probably say they just rigged that match to show they don't rig matches...

On December 01 2010 02:17 IntoTheEmo wrote:
You guys can try and justify protecting your Boxers, your Rets, your IdrAs. But what about the next potential Jaedong from making his mark on the scene, the new guy who practiced hard to get that far into the tournament so he could get a sponsored team and make a bit of extra cash, only to be the victim of getting into constant brackets/unfavorable map pools vs more popular players just so they could have a higher chance of progressing further? Would you not feel betrayed, especially after that speech about GOM supporting people who are looking to pursue a career in e-sports?

Don't think that is very healthy for the e-sports community. No offense, but I don't get why people feel that foreigners should get special treatment, other than to favor the foreign community watching. I mean they deserve a lot of respect for going over to Korea and participating, but that is not enough to justify any form of favoritism to be given - many of the lesser known Koreans can give them a run for their money.

PS - I get the feeling that some of the mods are also interested in this subject, since a couple of them have replied, I guess even they are also a little suspicious - they generally frown on any conspriacy theory threads without any backing.

On November 30 2010 13:31 DentThat wrote:
SlayersBoxer's best match up is undoubtedly his TvT and GOM knows this. They are always placing him in that matchup to try and keep him around for as long as possible. From a business standpoint, I can definitely see this to be viable. He brings in the viewers.

So far in all of his GSL matches, 7 out of 9 were TvT (the other 2 being a TvP and TvZ, which he lost the latter)
SOURCE: http://www.gomtv.net/videos/index.php?page=1&cate=&keyfield=all&key=SlayerSBoxeR

His upcoming match in the Ro32 for GSL3 is also a TvT

That's 80% TvT, 10% TvP, 10% TvZ over 2 seasons!


EDIT:

Just because there were a lot of T's doesn't mean there were a lot of TvT's.

In the GSL3, RO64, theres only 2 TvT's, Boxer gets 1
In RO32, only 2 TvT's, Boxer gets 1

In the GSL2 RO16, there's only 1 TvT, Boxer gets it
In the RO8, only 1 TvT, Boxer gets it!

I'm not hating on the legend or disrespecting GomTV (I have paid for 2 seasons so far and I love it)
Just wanted to point out this find that I thought to be a little peculiar