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Sigh at that post.
Why are you trying to find the reasons for lower apm in the way the game calculates apm?
According to your "math" I would be doing 200+apm every game, wich is just blatantly wrong.
People have less apm because the game is new, and because of all the new mechanics.
This has been discussed so many times, you multiply it with (what was 1,25 or so) because of the faster speed setting, and there you have your apm.
If there was a difference in the way the game calculates apm, you are NOT gonna find it by comparing people their sc1 to their sc2 apm, but by doing actual testing (aka getting some sort of external program to test your apm).
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My apm actually went up.
sc1: 140
sc2: 180
I feel like I play alot better in SC2 though.
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wc3: 150
BW: 95
sc2: 90
these are my average apm. but the odd part is that i barley ever play wc3 and I don't really spam but still its by far my highest apm and BW witch i played for a pretty long time now I can't even break a hundred.
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On April 04 2010 06:13 Tiwo wrote:
From what I noticed from my replays, (not sure didn't test it fully), is when you spam a button and u get "Not enough minerals" or something simulair like that, it won't count as a Action.
SC1: 120-140
SC2: 75-100
If you're spamming "S" for scv for 10 seconds it won't count as an action indeed.(and not having the minerals that is)
SC1: 150
SC2: 110-125
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I've had about 220 APM in SC1 and I have about 250 in SC2 - I think you can definitely need high APM and it's equally as important as in SC1...
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On April 04 2010 06:01 Dia wrote:
sc1: 140-180
sc2: 100-120
same here ! maybe 150-190 sc1
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My APM went up in SC2
SC1: 150-180
SC2: 180-230
I have not multiplied anything, just raw data from replays.
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Haven't read the whole thread but I know for a fact that sc2 doesn't register certain forms of spam. For example if you just spam your "build scv"-button: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, you will have 0 apm during that time in the replay. And also the whole thing with faster/normal game speed but I don't know the exact numbers of that.
anyway.
BW: 160
SC2: 100
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I believe two things aren't counted:
- selections (they aren't action) so spamming through your control groups won't help
- "failed" actions, spamming a build command when you have only money to queue one unit will be counted as one command because all the other ones fail.
This severely lowers APM because it only counts effective in-game actions as opposed to sc1 actions which is anything.
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sorry to res here, but from the beginning, people here have been using random multipliers to their sc2 apm numbers to attest or to compare to their sc1 apm
if 45 seconds is to a minute in faster, then your apm is goign to be 25% slower
200 apm averaged over 15 minutes means you've done 3000 actions on average
to me, this sounds the most reasonable when thinking about the numbers
lke its been mentioned before though,
two different games, two different sets of values
i'd rather compare the APM between the players in the given game
you'll obviously see a difference between the play of a 150apm player and a 50apm player
but to what effect?
it feels like there's so many tools to help 'slower' players play just as well as the 'faster' ones
which isn't necessarily a bad thing at all
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SC: 120 apm
SC2: 150 apm
I was only C- in SC while I am top 10 platinum in SC2.
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On April 05 2010 09:34 wintergt wrote:
I believe two things aren't counted:
- selections (they aren't action) so spamming through your control groups won't help
- "failed" actions, spamming a build command when you have only money to queue one unit will be counted as one command because all the other ones fail.
This severely lowers APM because it only counts effective in-game actions as opposed to sc1 actions which is anything. spamming through ur control groups gets counted 100%
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well u can always test is it in game minutes or real minutes by going to play vs computer with speed fastest and spam for minute or 2 and check apm and then do same with speed slowest and see if theres big differense. and if ur apm is like 1-2k in second game u can also take SS and show of everybody that u have big apm ^^
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EPT
