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Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
April 04 2010 08:33 GMT
#81
Sigh at that post.

Why are you trying to find the reasons for lower apm in the way the game calculates apm?
According to your "math" I would be doing 200+apm every game, wich is just blatantly wrong.

People have less apm because the game is new, and because of all the new mechanics.

This has been discussed so many times, you multiply it with (what was 1,25 or so) because of the faster speed setting, and there you have your apm.

If there was a difference in the way the game calculates apm, you are NOT gonna find it by comparing people their sc1 to their sc2 apm, but by doing actual testing (aka getting some sort of external program to test your apm).

tyreek
Profile Joined June 2009
United States141 Posts
April 04 2010 08:42 GMT
#82
~120 sc1

70-80 sc2
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EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
April 04 2010 08:46 GMT
#83
Sc1 260
Sc2 80
I'm like, the coolest
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 08:51:49
April 04 2010 08:51 GMT
#84
My apm actually went up.

sc1: 140
sc2: 180

I feel like I play alot better in SC2 though.
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Zerum
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden348 Posts
April 04 2010 08:52 GMT
#85
wc3: 150
BW: 95
sc2: 90

these are my average apm. but the odd part is that i barley ever play wc3 and I don't really spam but still its by far my highest apm and BW witch i played for a pretty long time now I can't even break a hundred.
Zoultx
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland8 Posts
April 04 2010 08:58 GMT
#86
sc1 150
wc3 195
sc2 102
Everything is possible with the right attitude!
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 09:25:05
April 04 2010 09:24 GMT
#87
On April 04 2010 06:13 Tiwo wrote:
From what I noticed from my replays, (not sure didn't test it fully), is when you spam a button and u get "Not enough minerals" or something simulair like that, it won't count as a Action.

SC1: 120-140
SC2: 75-100

If you're spamming "S" for scv for 10 seconds it won't count as an action indeed.(and not having the minerals that is)
SC1: 150
SC2: 110-125
no dude, the question
member1987
Profile Joined February 2010
141 Posts
April 04 2010 09:46 GMT
#88
SC1: 100-140
SC2: 80-120
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
April 04 2010 09:49 GMT
#89
I've had about 220 APM in SC1 and I have about 250 in SC2 - I think you can definitely need high APM and it's equally as important as in SC1...
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gorchiza
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Bulgaria200 Posts
April 04 2010 09:53 GMT
#90
On April 04 2010 06:01 Dia wrote:
sc1: 140-180
sc2: 100-120

same here ! maybe 150-190 sc1
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Heinstein
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark15 Posts
April 04 2010 21:45 GMT
#91
My APM went up in SC2

SC1: 150-180
SC2: 180-230

I have not multiplied anything, just raw data from replays.
Ni hao
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 04 2010 21:49 GMT
#92
SC1: 200
SC2:150
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HyDRa
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden70 Posts
April 05 2010 00:05 GMT
#93
Haven't read the whole thread but I know for a fact that sc2 doesn't register certain forms of spam. For example if you just spam your "build scv"-button: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, you will have 0 apm during that time in the replay. And also the whole thing with faster/normal game speed but I don't know the exact numbers of that.

anyway.
BW: 160
SC2: 100
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wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
April 05 2010 00:34 GMT
#94
I believe two things aren't counted:
- selections (they aren't action) so spamming through your control groups won't help
- "failed" actions, spamming a build command when you have only money to queue one unit will be counted as one command because all the other ones fail.

This severely lowers APM because it only counts effective in-game actions as opposed to sc1 actions which is anything.
here i am
nisukeapple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
314 Posts
May 11 2010 07:40 GMT
#95
sorry to res here, but from the beginning, people here have been using random multipliers to their sc2 apm numbers to attest or to compare to their sc1 apm

if 45 seconds is to a minute in faster, then your apm is goign to be 25% slower

200 apm averaged over 15 minutes means you've done 3000 actions on average

to me, this sounds the most reasonable when thinking about the numbers

lke its been mentioned before though,
two different games, two different sets of values

i'd rather compare the APM between the players in the given game
you'll obviously see a difference between the play of a 150apm player and a 50apm player
but to what effect?
it feels like there's so many tools to help 'slower' players play just as well as the 'faster' ones
which isn't necessarily a bad thing at all
feel free to msn at me
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
May 11 2010 07:44 GMT
#96
SC1: 200
SC2: 150
Tef
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden443 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 07:46:39
May 11 2010 07:44 GMT
#97
SC: 120 apm
SC2: 150 apm

I was only C- in SC while I am top 10 platinum in SC2.
Dont fuck up, dont fuck yourself
adx2infinitum
Profile Joined May 2007
United States112 Posts
May 11 2010 07:53 GMT
#98
SC1: 150
SC2: 90
Gont
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany239 Posts
May 11 2010 08:00 GMT
#99
On April 05 2010 09:34 wintergt wrote:
I believe two things aren't counted:
- selections (they aren't action) so spamming through your control groups won't help
- "failed" actions, spamming a build command when you have only money to queue one unit will be counted as one command because all the other ones fail.

This severely lowers APM because it only counts effective in-game actions as opposed to sc1 actions which is anything.
spamming through ur control groups gets counted 100%
oskuboi
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland72 Posts
May 11 2010 08:02 GMT
#100
well u can always test is it in game minutes or real minutes by going to play vs computer with speed fastest and spam for minute or 2 and check apm and then do same with speed slowest and see if theres big differense. and if ur apm is like 1-2k in second game u can also take SS and show of everybody that u have big apm ^^
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