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Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
May 11 2010 20:27 GMT
#141
Hm. Perhaps i misread my time, then.

Or hell, maybe the score screen is bugged too... not likely, but it wouldn't really surprise me.
kevin349
Profile Joined May 2009
United States68 Posts
May 11 2010 20:28 GMT
#142
yeah i'm looking at the score screen right now and most of my games only have minutes and not even seconds..
B.L.u.B.
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany36 Posts
May 11 2010 20:32 GMT
#143
wc3: 230+
sc2:230+
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
May 11 2010 20:34 GMT
#144
Very interesting ... Coz at SC BW my APM was avg 110 and in SC2 it shows as 120. Does that means that I'm faster in SC2 ?!
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
May 11 2010 20:38 GMT
#145
SC1: 140
SC2: 80

Mind you, SC2 APM has to be multiplied, because Blizzard messed up with the game speeds.
TzTz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany511 Posts
May 11 2010 21:30 GMT
#146
it definitely counts spam because i have like 500 apm in the beginning when spamming really hard.
SC1: ~140
SC2: ~100
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
May 11 2010 21:48 GMT
#147
Sc1: 200-250
Sc2: 130-190
"Starcraft...It just echos brilliance and manliness." - Tasteless
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
May 11 2010 21:52 GMT
#148
SC1 150
Sc2 80
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 01:40:33
May 12 2010 01:32 GMT
#149
On May 12 2010 05:16 Issorlol wrote:
That JPEG is incorrect. Test this yourself but multiplying time shown for a game on a score screen by 1.33333 (etc). It will equal (rather, approximate quite closely) the time displayed for the replay. The modifier is 1.3333333.


I ran some tests and my results say you're wrong : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117215

let me quote myself for simplicity's sakes :

Well, they are not totally worthless, a unit that takes "20" seconds to build will be 2/3 as fast as a unit that takes "30" seconds - no matter what game speed you're on.

Said differently, as long as you stick to a relative comparison (you know, ratios and stuff), everything is just fine, but as soon as you need absolute values (such as APM, real build time, real DPS, etc.) or do some calculations and whatnot - just forget about it unless you're ready to make some conversions that are not perfectly exact.


On May 12 2010 05:28 kevin349 wrote:
yeah i'm looking at the score screen right now and most of my games only have minutes and not even seconds..


over 10 minutes, it stops displaying the seconds
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada424 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 01:35:48
May 12 2010 01:35 GMT
#150
oops, sorry for double post
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
May 12 2010 04:44 GMT
#151
kevin349 sent me this:

[image loading]

their maths are good, but the results are wrong.. the problem is how bwchart and actual blizzard's apm program are calculating APM. I think that "real apm" from sc:bw its more similar to actual apm, maybe many actions are just dont being considerated by blizzard software.
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
kevin349
Profile Joined May 2009
United States68 Posts
May 12 2010 05:20 GMT
#152
The multiplier of 1.4 is somewhat close to the slope of your trend line at 1.8. I think that sc2 is recording all the actions, what I think people are not realizing is things take less clicks in sc2 than they did in sc1. Imagine a terran with 4 rax in sc1 and 4 in sc2 to build 1 unit from each would take 8 actions in sc1 but only 5 in sc2. Also, each worker doesn't need to be selected and then ordered to mine or harvest gas.

I am confident that the apm reported by sc2 replays reports the same actions that bw chart (minus the fact that bw chart didn't take the first 120 seconds into account for overall apm)
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
May 12 2010 05:27 GMT
#153
SC1 = 200-230
SC2 = 140-160
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
Rickilicious
Profile Joined July 2009
United States220 Posts
May 12 2010 05:28 GMT
#154
SC1 about 80
SC2 about 200..

Maybe I just got better? Idk
Doug Righteous
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
May 12 2010 05:33 GMT
#155
sc1: 180~220
sc2: 140~170
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
May 12 2010 05:34 GMT
#156
SC1: 140 SC2: 170. My fingers are faster now and I honestly find SC2 zerg to require the same if not more APM.
Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 05:47:26
May 12 2010 05:46 GMT
#157
before you do your analysis first you must normalize SC2 APM to real time. That means taking the APM people give you and dividing by .75 . This will put both of the APM's in the same time domain :D


ooh .70XXXXX nice :D
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
May 12 2010 05:47 GMT
#158
sc1: 160
sc2: 110
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
May 12 2010 05:50 GMT
#159
i don't wanna read through this thread (don't follow my example!!) but i just want to say at the latest TL invitation to blizzard HQ dustin browder personally wrote down on his notepad to address sc2 displaying the wrong apm - he had no idea. due to game speed settings your 'true' apm would be ~1.3x what sc2 says.
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Serendpity
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada28 Posts
May 12 2010 06:02 GMT
#160
SC1: 120
SC2: 85
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