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slowmanrunning
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada285 Posts
May 11 2010 08:06 GMT
#101
Sc1 apm: 110-120 Sc2 apm: 50-60

yeah bout half, then again I haven't played beta much, ran through placements, got silver, played about 3 more games.

I like sc1 atm more.

I'm relatively new to all this though, been playing sc1 for about 1.5 months
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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
May 11 2010 08:16 GMT
#102
sc1: 170
sc2: 80 (LOL)
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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
May 11 2010 08:56 GMT
#103
What are you trying to find out?

How much SC2 APM is needed to do the same things that BW APM would require?

Or what your displayed SC2 APM would be in BW with the exact same amount of actions?

If it's the latter then that seems to just be the factor between game time and play speed, 1,4.

Just did a test where I clicked a counter and right clicked rally point at the beat of a 200 BPM metronome while timing it. In 1:00.14 I had done 200 clicks and the game showed me at 140-143 APM the entire time.
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rAize
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany135 Posts
May 11 2010 09:06 GMT
#104
man who gives a flying fuck? People are too focused on APM, play the god damn game and enjoy it. jesus christ.
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SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
May 11 2010 09:07 GMT
#105
On May 11 2010 18:06 rAize wrote:
man who gives a flying fuck? People are too focused on APM, play the god damn game and enjoy it. jesus christ.


Agree.
Zexion
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden971 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 09:09:26
May 11 2010 09:08 GMT
#106
Never played SC: BW and I can't see my APM since my replays won't work So does anyone know how to fix that replay bug? But I guess it's around 100 or less (definitely not higher).
link0
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1071 Posts
May 11 2010 09:13 GMT
#107
sc1: 120
sc2: 70
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Hasudk
Profile Joined October 2009
Denmark78 Posts
May 11 2010 09:31 GMT
#108
On May 11 2010 17:56 Lobo2me wrote:
What are you trying to find out?

How much SC2 APM is needed to do the same things that BW APM would require?

Or what your displayed SC2 APM would be in BW with the exact same amount of actions?

If it's the latter then that seems to just be the factor between game time and play speed, 1,4.

Just did a test where I clicked a counter and right clicked rally point at the beat of a 200 BPM metronome while timing it. In 1:00.14 I had done 200 clicks and the game showed me at 140-143 APM the entire time.


This is APM-discussion the true TL-way, with graphs and excessive theorycrafting, and its AWESOME. I love that you actually did that with a metronome.
FishNChips
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom107 Posts
May 11 2010 09:33 GMT
#109
220 -> 130 lol
Can I get a spot of tea?
Rokit5
Profile Joined April 2010
236 Posts
May 11 2010 09:35 GMT
#110
SCbw 160-180
SC2 50-70.............

Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
May 11 2010 09:41 GMT
#111
I was ~200apm in SC1, I'm honestly not sure in SC2. I think my spamming early game affects it too much to tell. :c I guess it's probably around 160 or so though.

As a side note, I think playing SC2 has somehow increased my SC1 apm. Normally my peak is like 200 at the end of a game, but I played a match the other day and it was 230 instead. HMMMM.
Cu(oCo)
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Italy358 Posts
May 11 2010 09:52 GMT
#112
scbw 200
sc2 150
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Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
May 11 2010 10:11 GMT
#113
people say its just game speed that messes up apm, don't forget that you're not indivually clicking on 10 buildings and you're not constantly moving 4 control groups of units around, which makes a huge difference
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 10:15:54
May 11 2010 10:13 GMT
#114
BTW, you need to multiply the in-game APM meter's APM by 1.333333 (repeating) get your true APM.

So with that in mind, my avg apm in BW was ~ 140, and it's about 150-160 in SC2.

edit: and I spam a lot. I imagine if I had to individually macro from several buildings/hatcheries rather than hotkey them all to the same key it would be higher and if I had to use multiple control groups for movement (though I do so for attacking), it would definitely be higher.
Kambo_Rambo
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia79 Posts
May 11 2010 10:24 GMT
#115
anyone compare with sc2gears? (http://sites.google.com/site/sc2gears/)

which is a starcraft 2 parser+analyser. So far it graphs/looks at apm, hotkeys and build order.
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ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
May 11 2010 10:27 GMT
#116
sc1 - 175
sc2 - 140 (after multiplier)

esq>n
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 11 2010 11:22 GMT
#117
Perhaps Blizzard found away to get rid of useless spam and only calculate certain types of actions.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah right. I would like to know how they calculate it too.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 11:25:08
May 11 2010 11:24 GMT
#118
Now that I have more experience in SC2, my SC2 APM is about the same as my SC1 APM:

SC1: ~225
SC2: ~220 in some of the recent games I've checked (is there an easy way to just look at the APM of a game without having to watch the replay to the end?)

Edit: This is without doing any multiplication on my end, just looking at the in-game SC2 apm meter.
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Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
May 11 2010 11:26 GMT
#119
Didn't read the thread carefully, but this would be my explanation:

In SC1, high effective APM is not achieved by just clicking wildly, but by knowing the game so well that you always know where to click within a split second.

People are just not that familiar with SC2 yet. I predict that given some time, people will be just as fast in S2 as they are now in SC1. This APM will go to sick multitasking instead of clicking mass gateways.
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CryGirl1921
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-11 11:28:56
May 11 2010 11:27 GMT
#120
SC1: 180
SC2: 140

after multipilier its the same
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