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phrexis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States12 Posts
April 04 2010 01:56 GMT
#61
On your graph, you should incorporate the correlation (r^2) of the data points to the line. Makes the data a little more useful.
hi
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
April 04 2010 02:08 GMT
#62
I'm willing to bet zerg players experienced a loss in APM seeing as how zerg players have more null actions than other players
every time we spam "S" to select larvae when there is no larvae left then we have a null action which was counted in bw charts (but was noted as a null action)
this is with the 1.38 multiplier
BW: 240
sc2: 200
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 02:14:55
April 04 2010 02:14 GMT
#63
yeh, I am getting consistantly lower APM when playing zerg than I do as protoss.. like 30-40 lower.

Ive only played about 5 protoss 1v1s so far, but my APM hovers around 100-120.. where on BW it was like 130-150.

Interesting.

I still dont see how people are getting 200+, esp earlygame waiting for your drones to finish (in both games).. Must be really spamming hardcore. My apm is dead at the beginning, like 50, then doubles in the mid/lategame where theres actually stuff to do.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
bendez
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada283 Posts
April 04 2010 02:23 GMT
#64
How to increase your apm in SC2:

Step 1: Assign one of your worker to hotkey #1, and the command center to hotkey #2.
Step 2: Repeatedly press 1,2,1,2,1,2 etc
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

Congratz, your APM should now be over 200, and you're a pro now.
leejas
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States440 Posts
April 04 2010 02:23 GMT
#65
MBS factors in a HUGE difference in APM I believe. I also think a lot of different actions may be bundled instead of counted individually anymore
madjerry
Profile Joined April 2010
China60 Posts
April 04 2010 02:24 GMT
#66
mine goes like
SC1:220.
SC2: 190.
Small difference

I guess it's something to do with the EAPM (just a guess). I have a mediocre SC1 APM of 220, but the EAPM is above 150 mostly, meaning I do not earn APM by repeatedly clicking the ground or hotkey selecting, but rather necessary micros and alot macros. To my best knowledge, many players who easily have over 300 apm, do not pass 120 in EAPM, and their APM drop greatly from SC1 to SC2.

So I'm thinking of the EAPM theory. Anyone?
Go game!
eNoq
Profile Joined June 2009
Netherlands502 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 02:32:16
April 04 2010 02:30 GMT
#67
SC1: 220-250
SC2: 190-230 / 262-317 w/ 1.38 multi O_O

feels like i'm faster in sc2.
Proburu
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 02:36:44
April 04 2010 02:35 GMT
#68
Sc1: 175
Sc2: 100ish

This is based on the built in APM by blizzard... Also, this is just from one day of playing the beta. I have a long way to go
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
April 04 2010 02:45 GMT
#69
On April 04 2010 11:24 madjerry wrote:
mine goes like
SC1:220.
SC2: 190.
Small difference

I guess it's something to do with the EAPM (just a guess). I have a mediocre SC1 APM of 220, but the EAPM is above 150 mostly, meaning I do not earn APM by repeatedly clicking the ground or hotkey selecting, but rather necessary micros and alot macros. To my best knowledge, many players who easily have over 300 apm, do not pass 120 in EAPM, and their APM drop greatly from SC1 to SC2.

So I'm thinking of the EAPM theory. Anyone?



yes, i really think that the apm its calculated in a different way by blizzard, but for the common of the people, the apm in sc2 its nearly 1,5-2,0 times slower than SC1
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
wdge
Profile Joined February 2010
60 Posts
April 04 2010 02:50 GMT
#70
SC1: 120 maybe?
SC2: 100

As Zerg. Was pretty slow in SC1, a long time ago though, but are certainly quite a bit faster in SC2.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
April 04 2010 05:00 GMT
#71
My APM in brood war was around 250 and now it's 200 in SC2
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
April 04 2010 05:04 GMT
#72
SC1: 170-180
SC2: 110
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
G3nXsiS
Profile Joined July 2009
United States656 Posts
April 04 2010 05:44 GMT
#73
SC1: 220-240
SC2: 120-150
WC3:140-160

I really don't like my apm in sc2. It feels like Im doing everything but still my apm is really low.
Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment
Suspected
Profile Joined April 2010
United States9 Posts
April 04 2010 05:54 GMT
#74
On April 04 2010 14:44 G3nXsiS wrote:
SC1: 220-240
SC2: 120-150
WC3:140-160

I really don't like my apm in sc2. It feels like Im doing everything but still my apm is really low.


You're clearly not spamming enough. Remember, why use one click when seven will produce the same result. Anyway...


SC1: ~423
SC2: ~316
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
April 04 2010 06:00 GMT
#75
sc1 ~200
sc2 ~ 120
Opi
Profile Joined December 2004
China1 Post
April 04 2010 06:20 GMT
#76
On April 04 2010 06:11 Jlab wrote:
Isn't it going on a lower speed.
Meaning the APM is measured at a lower speed setting than you are playing at. So technically its not APM in actual minuets but in game minuets.

Yea, I think it has something to do with game seconds vs. real seconds

APM is calculated on game seconds, which is equal to real time only on the "fast" speed setting. But since all league games are played on "faster", i think your in game APM actually turns out to be Actions Per 45 seconds (ish) ?
Noblesse Oblige
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 06:40:28
April 04 2010 06:40 GMT
#77
it would be nice if blizzard fixed this APM bug with a simple formula
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
April 04 2010 07:14 GMT
#78
On April 04 2010 07:24 synapse wrote:
Your graph clearly does not pass the vertical line test.


HAW HAW I love math jokes :D:D
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
Radiomouse
Profile Joined November 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
April 04 2010 07:56 GMT
#79
scbw:180-200
warcraft3:180-210
sc2:160-180(without multiplier, so that would make it 210-240)
ArtemisKnives
Profile Joined March 2010
United States210 Posts
April 04 2010 08:12 GMT
#80
I barely played SC1 when I was younger and I average games around 80 APM and I'm 4th plat in my league.

Different game.

Different animal.
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