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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 01 2009 16:04 food wrote: he agreed with day, not you, i cant believe you doing this lmao and there was nothing set up for final games, what time what bracket If you go by the "game guide" which nyoken gave, the time should be sundays at noon on whatever local time the server is on. However, not knowing the bracket is a valid issue. | ||
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nyoken
United States103 Posts
I login today and see only chosen is in the channel. Chosen tells me timestop asked him to reschedule. I know nothing of this. Machinehead clearly knows nothing of this because he doesn't even know about the tournament. I don't believe Machinehead doesn't know because he just participated in the last qualifier. That was on sunday which got rescheduled to a different day because day[9] got agreement from all the players to change it. There was clearly no agreement in this one. Based on chosen's post he says he is going to "try" to ask the admins to reschedule. That doesn't mean it will be. Since no admins are online Chosen suggests we play out our games now. I said we should play it later because I don't want any problems. Xeris enters the channel around this time and says that we should play it out, too. I agree to it. There are no admins so we play it out. I end up winning the bo3s. People in here are saying that the finals can't be walkovered and that there was no time posted for the tournament. The game guide clearly states the games will be played on sunday at noon. So clearly there is a time set for this. http://qualify.us.wcg.com/files/file/WCG_2009_SC_Broodwar_Competition_Guide.pdf Also, as I showed in my previous screenshots the finals can be walkovered. I was walkovered in the first one. People also say that you can't figure out the brackets. Didn't I say in my original post that I would be playing one of them and chosen would be playing the other one so we just walked them over? since me and chosen are on diff sides of the bracket we just walked over each of them and would play it from there http://qualify.us.wcg.com/?page=stem&view=schedule&stageid=2699 Is that not exactly how I said the brackets would be? This is the bracket glostik made after I made support tickets over 12 hours ago and after the games were already played. Glostik also states that he doesn't have to be online. Here are the screenshots again. ![[image loading]](http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8923/59620786.png) ![[image loading]](http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/153/68143350.png) ![[image loading]](http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1167/60941572.png) Me and chosen showed up at the specified time. We played it out because we're the only ones there. I didn't agree to any changes because no one told me about them. I canceled all my obligations to play this and now you're going to say it doesn't count? I followed the rules and proved it in screenshots. What do you want me to say. I have nothing against timestop and machinehead. Timestop has always been nice to me (even though I have no idea who he is) and I don't think I've ever met machinehead. | ||
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
I'm not a fucking idiot, I'm not showing up to a tourney when I don't have an opponent... No offense to you guys in that regard, as I'm sure you are aware of that but were inclined to take advantage of the situation. Which is better than thinking what you guys did made sense. Didn't chosen take the initiative in wanting to choose a time? After the last qualifier, it was made perfectly clear that we can agree on a time and don't have to show up at the official time, so why would you change your mind and be obsessed with a time in a "guide line," that's shady at best. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
However, from an observer standpoint, chosen agreed to talk to an admin about doing a PP. No admin was there, so they obviously are leaving it up to you guys to do the job of it, IE chosen could have easily waited till the evening to play timestop as he agreed to. Its more like, you had a player agree to PP a match, and you have admitted even in your last post that you said you should wait, and xeris(not even part of the finals) told you to play. So you did. It seems like insanely poor sportsmanship mainly on chosen's part. You have screenshots to why you know of the process and have been shafted by it. However, no one was forcing chosen to play, as no admin was saying he had to, and a PP could have been easily done (although inconvinient). Its been a very bad business for this wcg ugh Edit: Wait start day for this qualifier didnt start on a monday? If this is accurate then all days would be auto bumped forward a day yo. Ie sunday = monday | ||
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
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nyoken
United States103 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
 Crummy situation but if machinehead/timestop have anyone to be mad at it isn't the guy who followed the rules, ask for leniency from the other guy who then gave none.. and ended up winning the tourney vs the favorite. You guys have like 5 more chances to qualify but this one should be nyoken's imo. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
- The brackets have a Monday date (http://qualify.us.wcg.com/?page=stem&view=schedule&stageid=2699) - The "guide" has known inaccurate dates, and thus can't be trusted. - Laurent already went on the record as saying that given dates are "guidelines" and that players should find their own times to play each other. | ||
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On June 01 2009 17:08 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i gotta agree with nyoken on this Crummy situation but if machinehead/timestop have anyone to be mad at it isn't the guy who followed the rules, ask for leniency from the other guy who then gave none.. and ended up winning the tourney vs the favorite. You guys have like 5 more chances to qualify but this one should be nyoken's imo. uh what about timestop? he clearly asked for a postponement and chosen clearly agreed. if players can publicly agree to a postponement then take a w/o how fucked is WCG? he shouldn't just be a casualty of this shitty situation, he played to get where he is. | ||
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
On June 01 2009 17:09 motbob wrote: Machinehead is completely correct... but once again, he can't articulate why without writing pages of text and insulting everyone who disagrees with him. - The brackets have a Monday date (http://qualify.us.wcg.com/?page=stem&view=schedule&stageid=2699) - The "guide" has known inaccurate dates, and thus can't be trusted. - Laurent already went on the record as saying that given dates are "guidelines" and that players should find their own times to play each other. I'm not really a "people person" so my ideas tend to stay in my head more often than others, hence not being quite as concise or poignant as I would hope to be. But, I do/say what I feel is right, and I feel strongly about that. I like to see things for what they are, and I can't really handle when I feel people are not seeing things properly, be it due to not understanding, or being biased. I have no interest in making friends within the sc community. I just wish I didn't have to feel as that it hurt how what I say is received. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On June 01 2009 17:37 BroOd wrote: uh what about timestop? he clearly asked for a postponement and chosen clearly agreed. if players can publicly agree to a postponement then take a w/o how fucked is WCG? he shouldn't just be a casualty of this shitty situation, he played to get where he is. he asked 1 guy of 4 for a postponement.. he was almost there. Needed 2 other guys to agree. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On June 01 2009 17:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote: he asked 1 guy of 4 for a postponement.. he was almost there. Needed 2 other guys to agree. do all games have to be played at once? if they do, then yeah im wrong (but its a stupid rule). you know what tho? it seems like alot of the problems with "WCG USA" could be easily solved by the players themselves by simply acting with some common sense and common courtesy. ffs if two of four players show up and a 3rd is known to need a delay, why not just take some time to figure it out instead of taking walkovers etc. i guess the "why" in wcg usa has become almost rhetorical at this point though. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
The answer is: the admins need to do their job... Admins doing their job = no confusion, no potential abuse. With inadequate supervision in important tourneys, it's impossible to avoid situations like this. Until that is addressed, this will be a circle of BS to deal with. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On June 01 2009 17:08 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i gotta agree with nyoken on this Crummy situation but if machinehead/timestop have anyone to be mad at it isn't the guy who followed the rules, ask for leniency from the other guy who then gave none.. and ended up winning the tourney vs the favorite. You guys have like 5 more chances to qualify but this one should be nyoken's imo. I checked at about 5 PM this evening (EST) and there was NO bracket up. I went from http://qualify.us.wcg.com/?page=stem&view=schedule&stageid=2685 straight through for 20 pages to 2705 before I posted anything regarding this. There was nothing regarding the finals up. Based on past tournaments, there can be 0 assumptions made that the opponents would've been proper the way ChOseN and nyoken decided. Everything else aside, this should be grounds for replaying the whole thing. They simply made a bracket at their whim when nothing was set. I'm not even dealing with the rest of the bullshit. | ||
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Future_sc
United States783 Posts
MachineHead careful not to repeat his misunderstanding as he did a qualifier ago (even though he said he would replay his walkover) gets crucified because he is not well liked. There were no admins present, no brackets, 2 out of the 4 players were there and timestop who thought he got his match postponed (until 5 pm later that afternoon) but since he is MachineHead, 85% of the people replying makes him out to be at fault. This situation is laughable because if MachineHead posted how he pressured Timestop into playing the tournament before the brackets were even posted and walked Nyoken and Chosen over, everyone would come out of the woodwork to throw stones at MachineHead and Timestop and demand the tournament that never existed be replayed. The WCG admins were cool with Day and everyone moving the previous tournament to another day. This could have easily been done and there is also no WCG qualifier this week so there was ample time to reschedule and make sure everyone could make it and give everyone a fair chance. If there were brackets posted, this would be a different situation and (even though dirty) you can go by the guide's designated time but there were no final brackets. It is sad that this even happened especially since one of the players asked for a PP but since he isn't a big name in the usa scene, he just gets looked over like nothing happened. | ||
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timestop
United States61 Posts
Edit:Eaither You could do this chosen or we can make finals tomorrow when everyone is free. But once again, if you guys dont want to PP for me thats fine. Better luck next time ^^ | ||
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