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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10349 Posts
June 02 2026 16:50 GMT
#941
On June 02 2026 22:53 Xenixx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2026 08:58 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 03:41 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 23:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 01 2026 22:39 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 13:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
On June 01 2026 12:50 Dante08 wrote:
On June 01 2026 11:24 GTR wrote:

The only interesting part of a simulation run like this is to see if the position is playable by the Terran. If it's playable then you can eek out a win, and if you can eek out a win then Flash made a poor decision to bet the entire game on defending the main with just scvs, ergo, he gg'd too early.

If you're the type of person who takes low ranked ladder players games' in this position as some set in stone unassailable position then I'm sorry to inform you, you don't know half as much about this game as you think you do.

I don't really have a problem with 70:30 from that position, and I have been totally consistent on this issue. Terran is behind here and has to play from behind the entire game, getting lucky with some decisive moves to hopefully eek out a win in this spot. For those of you who have never spoken to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small.

It's game 7 of the last ASL you may ever play, shouldn't you take the hail mary option? For the fans, the viewers, it could make a very interesting game, something we've never seen before regardless of whether or not you're favored to win in this spot. Play the mess you made.

Brother, I'm sorry, I wasn't going to say anything but you keep repeating the exact same talking point like a parrot which is basically par for the course here but you're also writing "eek" over and over, every time, throughout these posts and it finally broke me. The word you're looking for is "eke". Furthermore, I was curious about your anecdotal social experiment ("...to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small") and according to AI/Google that number is actually 50% because to "eke out a win" is to "win by a small margin" meaning that it was basically 50/50 leading up to that moment, so basically a one point basketball game where the teams are 120-119, for example. So, not only are you spelling the word incorrectly, you are also misusing it, all while repeating the same subjective-ass opinion every time. Please, have mercy.

PS: Terms closer to what you seem to mean would be a comeback, reversal, come-from-behind, turnaround, rally, etc.


Is it? I don't think I've ever typed that word out before now, so, good times, that'll happen.

But on your other point, so FYI, dictionaries aren't authoritative. I've never heard anyone use the term to describe a coin toss. I think you're way off base with that idea, and, are in desperate need of talking to real people, not AI. When we use the term eke, it means to barely win, which is also covered by the dictionaries and exactly how I was using it. You can also tell by the context.

Eke To obtain with difficulty

Yes, my apologies, I'm sure your erudite social environment "on the streets" is the authority on what the English words you can't spell mean. Although, I want to point out that winning 120-119 is "barely winning" and not the 10% chance of winning you're trying to describe.

But, let's set semantics aside. Let's get to what I find to be the heart of the issue I have with your opinion: FlaSh has been playing StarCraft for your free entertainment for 20 years, is the undisputed GOAT and "God" of the game, played through numerous surgeries, and found himself in what he thought to be a losing situation. He doesn't owe you 3 more minutes of floundering around when he feels the game is lost, despite what you think you or the fans are entitled to, which could hypothetically bring greater embarrassment down the line. In fact, he doesn't owe you anything at all.


Yes, dictionaries only describe how words are used by people, common usage. AKA, you know, on the streets. Why don't you ask your friend Google AI about it instead?

Feels like we're back in high school in here but you people are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's. How embarrassing...

You are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's, grandstanding on a videogame forum about how you deserved to see more gameplay in a videogame from a Korean guy you've never met on the other side of the planet. When that Korean guy is the undisputed GOAT of the game and undoubtedly leagues ahead of you in game understanding - not that this being untrue would make the previous sentence and description of your chosen beliefs to be any less ridiculous.

You punctuate your grandstanding with "eek" and repeat the same argument over and over, showing no logical development to your ideas. Like a lunatic raving at strangers saying that the end of days has come on a random city street corner, oblivious to his own delusions and how he is perceived. Using "the streets" and "people" as your anecdotal evidence for why your words mean what you subjectively believe they mean. In defiance of the objective and written definitions of those words, easily confirmable by any literate person who has read a sports headline in the past hundred years.

The capstone to this generational achievement in public discourse is you bringing in the same tired insult logic that plagues the cesspool that is social media, e.g. "everyone who disagrees with me must be a no life loser", "they must have no friends", i.e. "go touch grass", as if someone pointing out your factually incorrect usage of a word is proof that they are somehow socially inept and not that you just don't know the language you attempt to write in. Which further highlights your lack of self-awareness and how silly your initial position and vehemence in defending it already looked.

I know you're only using what God gave you. It's okay.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10528 Posts
June 02 2026 17:24 GMT
#942
On June 03 2026 01:50 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2026 22:53 Xenixx wrote:
On June 02 2026 08:58 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 03:41 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 23:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 01 2026 22:39 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 13:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
On June 01 2026 12:50 Dante08 wrote:
On June 01 2026 11:24 GTR wrote:

The only interesting part of a simulation run like this is to see if the position is playable by the Terran. If it's playable then you can eek out a win, and if you can eek out a win then Flash made a poor decision to bet the entire game on defending the main with just scvs, ergo, he gg'd too early.

If you're the type of person who takes low ranked ladder players games' in this position as some set in stone unassailable position then I'm sorry to inform you, you don't know half as much about this game as you think you do.

I don't really have a problem with 70:30 from that position, and I have been totally consistent on this issue. Terran is behind here and has to play from behind the entire game, getting lucky with some decisive moves to hopefully eek out a win in this spot. For those of you who have never spoken to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small.

It's game 7 of the last ASL you may ever play, shouldn't you take the hail mary option? For the fans, the viewers, it could make a very interesting game, something we've never seen before regardless of whether or not you're favored to win in this spot. Play the mess you made.

Brother, I'm sorry, I wasn't going to say anything but you keep repeating the exact same talking point like a parrot which is basically par for the course here but you're also writing "eek" over and over, every time, throughout these posts and it finally broke me. The word you're looking for is "eke". Furthermore, I was curious about your anecdotal social experiment ("...to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small") and according to AI/Google that number is actually 50% because to "eke out a win" is to "win by a small margin" meaning that it was basically 50/50 leading up to that moment, so basically a one point basketball game where the teams are 120-119, for example. So, not only are you spelling the word incorrectly, you are also misusing it, all while repeating the same subjective-ass opinion every time. Please, have mercy.

PS: Terms closer to what you seem to mean would be a comeback, reversal, come-from-behind, turnaround, rally, etc.


Is it? I don't think I've ever typed that word out before now, so, good times, that'll happen.

But on your other point, so FYI, dictionaries aren't authoritative. I've never heard anyone use the term to describe a coin toss. I think you're way off base with that idea, and, are in desperate need of talking to real people, not AI. When we use the term eke, it means to barely win, which is also covered by the dictionaries and exactly how I was using it. You can also tell by the context.

Eke To obtain with difficulty

Yes, my apologies, I'm sure your erudite social environment "on the streets" is the authority on what the English words you can't spell mean. Although, I want to point out that winning 120-119 is "barely winning" and not the 10% chance of winning you're trying to describe.

But, let's set semantics aside. Let's get to what I find to be the heart of the issue I have with your opinion: FlaSh has been playing StarCraft for your free entertainment for 20 years, is the undisputed GOAT and "God" of the game, played through numerous surgeries, and found himself in what he thought to be a losing situation. He doesn't owe you 3 more minutes of floundering around when he feels the game is lost, despite what you think you or the fans are entitled to, which could hypothetically bring greater embarrassment down the line. In fact, he doesn't owe you anything at all.


Yes, dictionaries only describe how words are used by people, common usage. AKA, you know, on the streets. Why don't you ask your friend Google AI about it instead?

Feels like we're back in high school in here but you people are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's. How embarrassing...

You are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's, grandstanding on a videogame forum about how you deserved to see more gameplay in a videogame from a Korean guy you've never met on the other side of the planet. When that Korean guy is the undisputed GOAT of the game and undoubtedly leagues ahead of you in game understanding - not that this being untrue would make the previous sentence and description of your chosen beliefs to be any less ridiculous.

You punctuate your grandstanding with "eek" and repeat the same argument over and over, showing no logical development to your ideas. Like a lunatic raving at strangers saying that the end of days has come on a random city street corner, oblivious to his own delusions and how he is perceived. Using "the streets" and "people" as your anecdotal evidence for why your words mean what you subjectively believe they mean. In defiance of the objective and written definitions of those words, easily confirmable by any literate person who has read a sports headline in the past hundred years.

The capstone to this generational achievement in public discourse is you bringing in the same tired insult logic that plagues the cesspool that is social media, e.g. "everyone who disagrees with me must be a no life loser", "they must have no friends", i.e. "go touch grass", as if someone pointing out your factually incorrect usage of a word is proof that they are somehow socially inept and not that you just don't know the language you attempt to write in. Which further highlights your lack of self-awareness and how silly your initial position and vehemence in defending it already looked.

I know you're only using what God gave you. It's okay.

Grudgematch over the linguistic use of the word "eke/eek" please.
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1603 Posts
June 02 2026 19:59 GMT
#943
Hopefully, we will have another FlaSh season ;(
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Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States530 Posts
June 02 2026 20:35 GMT
#944
On June 03 2026 01:50 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2026 22:53 Xenixx wrote:
On June 02 2026 08:58 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 03:41 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 23:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 01 2026 22:39 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 13:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
On June 01 2026 12:50 Dante08 wrote:
On June 01 2026 11:24 GTR wrote:

The only interesting part of a simulation run like this is to see if the position is playable by the Terran. If it's playable then you can eek out a win, and if you can eek out a win then Flash made a poor decision to bet the entire game on defending the main with just scvs, ergo, he gg'd too early.

If you're the type of person who takes low ranked ladder players games' in this position as some set in stone unassailable position then I'm sorry to inform you, you don't know half as much about this game as you think you do.

I don't really have a problem with 70:30 from that position, and I have been totally consistent on this issue. Terran is behind here and has to play from behind the entire game, getting lucky with some decisive moves to hopefully eek out a win in this spot. For those of you who have never spoken to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small.

It's game 7 of the last ASL you may ever play, shouldn't you take the hail mary option? For the fans, the viewers, it could make a very interesting game, something we've never seen before regardless of whether or not you're favored to win in this spot. Play the mess you made.



Brother, I'm sorry, I wasn't going to say anything but you keep repeating the exact same talking point like a parrot which is basically par for the course here but you're also writing "eek" over and over, every time, throughout these posts and it finally broke me. The word you're looking for is "eke". Furthermore, I was curious about your anecdotal social experiment ("...to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small") and according to AI/Google that number is actually 50% because to "eke out a win" is to "win by a small margin" meaning that it was basically 50/50 leading up to that moment, so basically a one point basketball game where the teams are 120-119, for example. So, not only are you spelling the word incorrectly, you are also misusing it, all while repeating the same subjective-ass opinion every time. Please, have mercy.

PS: Terms closer to what you seem to mean would be a comeback, reversal, come-from-behind, turnaround, rally, etc.


Is it? I don't think I've ever typed that word out before now, so, good times, that'll happen.

But on your other point, so FYI, dictionaries aren't authoritative. I've never heard anyone use the term to describe a coin toss. I think you're way off base with that idea, and, are in desperate need of talking to real people, not AI. When we use the term eke, it means to barely win, which is also covered by the dictionaries and exactly how I was using it. You can also tell by the context.

Eke To obtain with difficulty

Yes, my apologies, I'm sure your erudite social environment "on the streets" is the authority on what the English words you can't spell mean. Although, I want to point out that winning 120-119 is "barely winning" and not the 10% chance of winning you're trying to describe.

But, let's set semantics aside. Let's get to what I find to be the heart of the issue I have with your opinion: FlaSh has been playing StarCraft for your free entertainment for 20 years, is the undisputed GOAT and "God" of the game, played through numerous surgeries, and found himself in what he thought to be a losing situation. He doesn't owe you 3 more minutes of floundering around when he feels the game is lost, despite what you think you or the fans are entitled to, which could hypothetically bring greater embarrassment down the line. In fact, he doesn't owe you anything at all.


Yes, dictionaries only describe how words are used by people, common usage. AKA, you know, on the streets. Why don't you ask your friend Google AI about it instead?

Feels like we're back in high school in here but you people are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's. How embarrassing...

You are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's, grandstanding on a videogame forum about how you deserved to see more gameplay in a videogame from a Korean guy you've never met on the other side of the planet. When that Korean guy is the undisputed GOAT of the game and undoubtedly leagues ahead of you in game understanding - not that this being untrue would make the previous sentence and description of your chosen beliefs to be any less ridiculous.

You punctuate your grandstanding with "eek" and repeat the same argument over and over, showing no logical development to your ideas. Like a lunatic raving at strangers saying that the end of days has come on a random city street corner, oblivious to his own delusions and how he is perceived. Using "the streets" and "people" as your anecdotal evidence for why your words mean what you subjectively believe they mean. In defiance of the objective and written definitions of those words, easily confirmable by any literate person who has read a sports headline in the past hundred years.

The capstone to this generational achievement in public discourse is you bringing in the same tired insult logic that plagues the cesspool that is social media, e.g. "everyone who disagrees with me must be a no life loser", "they must have no friends", i.e. "go touch grass", as if someone pointing out your factually incorrect usage of a word is proof that they are somehow socially inept and not that you just don't know the language you attempt to write in. Which further highlights your lack of self-awareness and how silly your initial position and vehemence in defending it already looked.

I know you're only using what God gave you. It's okay.


I still cannot fathom how you get any of that out of what I said. Deserved to see more? You have to reach and project so hard, and, all this reaching because your feelings are hurt over how wrong you were about how I used the word eke...
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8073 Posts
June 03 2026 00:46 GMT
#945
On June 03 2026 04:59 asel wrote:
Hopefully, we will have another FlaSh season ;(

Yeah I keep hoping he says "SCREW IT! I WANT FIRST PLACE!" and changes his mind XD.

Doesn't appear likely though.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
June 03 2026 16:40 GMT
#946
On June 03 2026 05:35 Xenixx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2026 01:50 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 22:53 Xenixx wrote:
On June 02 2026 08:58 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 03:41 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 23:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 01 2026 22:39 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 13:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
On June 01 2026 12:50 Dante08 wrote:
On June 01 2026 11:24 GTR wrote:

The only interesting part of a simulation run like this is to see if the position is playable by the Terran. If it's playable then you can eek out a win, and if you can eek out a win then Flash made a poor decision to bet the entire game on defending the main with just scvs, ergo, he gg'd too early.

If you're the type of person who takes low ranked ladder players games' in this position as some set in stone unassailable position then I'm sorry to inform you, you don't know half as much about this game as you think you do.

I don't really have a problem with 70:30 from that position, and I have been totally consistent on this issue. Terran is behind here and has to play from behind the entire game, getting lucky with some decisive moves to hopefully eek out a win in this spot. For those of you who have never spoken to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small.

It's game 7 of the last ASL you may ever play, shouldn't you take the hail mary option? For the fans, the viewers, it could make a very interesting game, something we've never seen before regardless of whether or not you're favored to win in this spot. Play the mess you made.



Brother, I'm sorry, I wasn't going to say anything but you keep repeating the exact same talking point like a parrot which is basically par for the course here but you're also writing "eek" over and over, every time, throughout these posts and it finally broke me. The word you're looking for is "eke". Furthermore, I was curious about your anecdotal social experiment ("...to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small") and according to AI/Google that number is actually 50% because to "eke out a win" is to "win by a small margin" meaning that it was basically 50/50 leading up to that moment, so basically a one point basketball game where the teams are 120-119, for example. So, not only are you spelling the word incorrectly, you are also misusing it, all while repeating the same subjective-ass opinion every time. Please, have mercy.

PS: Terms closer to what you seem to mean would be a comeback, reversal, come-from-behind, turnaround, rally, etc.


Is it? I don't think I've ever typed that word out before now, so, good times, that'll happen.

But on your other point, so FYI, dictionaries aren't authoritative. I've never heard anyone use the term to describe a coin toss. I think you're way off base with that idea, and, are in desperate need of talking to real people, not AI. When we use the term eke, it means to barely win, which is also covered by the dictionaries and exactly how I was using it. You can also tell by the context.

Eke To obtain with difficulty

Yes, my apologies, I'm sure your erudite social environment "on the streets" is the authority on what the English words you can't spell mean. Although, I want to point out that winning 120-119 is "barely winning" and not the 10% chance of winning you're trying to describe.

But, let's set semantics aside. Let's get to what I find to be the heart of the issue I have with your opinion: FlaSh has been playing StarCraft for your free entertainment for 20 years, is the undisputed GOAT and "God" of the game, played through numerous surgeries, and found himself in what he thought to be a losing situation. He doesn't owe you 3 more minutes of floundering around when he feels the game is lost, despite what you think you or the fans are entitled to, which could hypothetically bring greater embarrassment down the line. In fact, he doesn't owe you anything at all.


Yes, dictionaries only describe how words are used by people, common usage. AKA, you know, on the streets. Why don't you ask your friend Google AI about it instead?

Feels like we're back in high school in here but you people are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's. How embarrassing...

You are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's, grandstanding on a videogame forum about how you deserved to see more gameplay in a videogame from a Korean guy you've never met on the other side of the planet. When that Korean guy is the undisputed GOAT of the game and undoubtedly leagues ahead of you in game understanding - not that this being untrue would make the previous sentence and description of your chosen beliefs to be any less ridiculous.

You punctuate your grandstanding with "eek" and repeat the same argument over and over, showing no logical development to your ideas. Like a lunatic raving at strangers saying that the end of days has come on a random city street corner, oblivious to his own delusions and how he is perceived. Using "the streets" and "people" as your anecdotal evidence for why your words mean what you subjectively believe they mean. In defiance of the objective and written definitions of those words, easily confirmable by any literate person who has read a sports headline in the past hundred years.

The capstone to this generational achievement in public discourse is you bringing in the same tired insult logic that plagues the cesspool that is social media, e.g. "everyone who disagrees with me must be a no life loser", "they must have no friends", i.e. "go touch grass", as if someone pointing out your factually incorrect usage of a word is proof that they are somehow socially inept and not that you just don't know the language you attempt to write in. Which further highlights your lack of self-awareness and how silly your initial position and vehemence in defending it already looked.

I know you're only using what God gave you. It's okay.


I still cannot fathom how you get any of that out of what I said. Deserved to see more? You have to reach and project so hard, and, all this reaching because your feelings are hurt over how wrong you were about how I used the word eke...


the individualism displayed here by an american is truly great. No amount of authority will persudade their own opinion!
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Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States530 Posts
June 03 2026 19:43 GMT
#947
On June 04 2026 01:40 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2026 05:35 Xenixx wrote:
On June 03 2026 01:50 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 22:53 Xenixx wrote:
On June 02 2026 08:58 Jealous wrote:
On June 02 2026 03:41 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 23:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 01 2026 22:39 Xenixx wrote:
On June 01 2026 13:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
On June 01 2026 12:50 Dante08 wrote:
On June 01 2026 11:24 GTR wrote:

The only interesting part of a simulation run like this is to see if the position is playable by the Terran. If it's playable then you can eek out a win, and if you can eek out a win then Flash made a poor decision to bet the entire game on defending the main with just scvs, ergo, he gg'd too early.

If you're the type of person who takes low ranked ladder players games' in this position as some set in stone unassailable position then I'm sorry to inform you, you don't know half as much about this game as you think you do.

I don't really have a problem with 70:30 from that position, and I have been totally consistent on this issue. Terran is behind here and has to play from behind the entire game, getting lucky with some decisive moves to hopefully eek out a win in this spot. For those of you who have never spoken to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small.

It's game 7 of the last ASL you may ever play, shouldn't you take the hail mary option? For the fans, the viewers, it could make a very interesting game, something we've never seen before regardless of whether or not you're favored to win in this spot. Play the mess you made.



Brother, I'm sorry, I wasn't going to say anything but you keep repeating the exact same talking point like a parrot which is basically par for the course here but you're also writing "eek" over and over, every time, throughout these posts and it finally broke me. The word you're looking for is "eke". Furthermore, I was curious about your anecdotal social experiment ("...to real people out in the streets, eek is like, a 10% win rate, it's small") and according to AI/Google that number is actually 50% because to "eke out a win" is to "win by a small margin" meaning that it was basically 50/50 leading up to that moment, so basically a one point basketball game where the teams are 120-119, for example. So, not only are you spelling the word incorrectly, you are also misusing it, all while repeating the same subjective-ass opinion every time. Please, have mercy.

PS: Terms closer to what you seem to mean would be a comeback, reversal, come-from-behind, turnaround, rally, etc.


Is it? I don't think I've ever typed that word out before now, so, good times, that'll happen.

But on your other point, so FYI, dictionaries aren't authoritative. I've never heard anyone use the term to describe a coin toss. I think you're way off base with that idea, and, are in desperate need of talking to real people, not AI. When we use the term eke, it means to barely win, which is also covered by the dictionaries and exactly how I was using it. You can also tell by the context.

Eke To obtain with difficulty

Yes, my apologies, I'm sure your erudite social environment "on the streets" is the authority on what the English words you can't spell mean. Although, I want to point out that winning 120-119 is "barely winning" and not the 10% chance of winning you're trying to describe.

But, let's set semantics aside. Let's get to what I find to be the heart of the issue I have with your opinion: FlaSh has been playing StarCraft for your free entertainment for 20 years, is the undisputed GOAT and "God" of the game, played through numerous surgeries, and found himself in what he thought to be a losing situation. He doesn't owe you 3 more minutes of floundering around when he feels the game is lost, despite what you think you or the fans are entitled to, which could hypothetically bring greater embarrassment down the line. In fact, he doesn't owe you anything at all.


Yes, dictionaries only describe how words are used by people, common usage. AKA, you know, on the streets. Why don't you ask your friend Google AI about it instead?

Feels like we're back in high school in here but you people are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's. How embarrassing...

You are no doubt in your late 20's or early 30's, grandstanding on a videogame forum about how you deserved to see more gameplay in a videogame from a Korean guy you've never met on the other side of the planet. When that Korean guy is the undisputed GOAT of the game and undoubtedly leagues ahead of you in game understanding - not that this being untrue would make the previous sentence and description of your chosen beliefs to be any less ridiculous.

You punctuate your grandstanding with "eek" and repeat the same argument over and over, showing no logical development to your ideas. Like a lunatic raving at strangers saying that the end of days has come on a random city street corner, oblivious to his own delusions and how he is perceived. Using "the streets" and "people" as your anecdotal evidence for why your words mean what you subjectively believe they mean. In defiance of the objective and written definitions of those words, easily confirmable by any literate person who has read a sports headline in the past hundred years.

The capstone to this generational achievement in public discourse is you bringing in the same tired insult logic that plagues the cesspool that is social media, e.g. "everyone who disagrees with me must be a no life loser", "they must have no friends", i.e. "go touch grass", as if someone pointing out your factually incorrect usage of a word is proof that they are somehow socially inept and not that you just don't know the language you attempt to write in. Which further highlights your lack of self-awareness and how silly your initial position and vehemence in defending it already looked.

I know you're only using what God gave you. It's okay.


I still cannot fathom how you get any of that out of what I said. Deserved to see more? You have to reach and project so hard, and, all this reaching because your feelings are hurt over how wrong you were about how I used the word eke...


the individualism displayed here by an american is truly great. No amount of authority will persudade their own opinion!


You're talking about me, I presume? We're both apparently American.

If you are, what authority? And why would anything beyond reason and evidence be worth listening to? And either one of you are welcome to highlight the segments of what I said that explicitly say that I deserve to see more of Flash v Soma, or that I even think such a thing.
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
731 Posts
June 04 2026 12:27 GMT
#948
There's no coming back for Flash after this imo.

He really put himself out there like he is the antagonist, and everything about the storyline was shaped in a way to tip the odds in his favour..... just so the true protagonist could shine even more. Its almost absurd if you think about it

Flash

- somehow fooled Soma into spending a great chunk of his prep time on valk builds, which he didn't use even once
- gambled like crazy with 13CC openers
- actually had build order advantage every single game
- got to play on an incredibly Terran favoured map pool. like, unprecedentedly Terran favoured. I'm not sure there even ever was another finals where the map odds were so heavy against the eventual winner (except, maybe, Bisu vs Savior)
- went fully dark during prep time, noone knew what he was preparing
- mentioned several times that he is trying as hard as he can, and his performance isn't too far from his peak years ago
- even did the cocky 5-titles-repeat-gesture

I wonder what Flash felt like when he was 2-0 up. Everything going according to plan? 5-peat? Is he truly the greatest of all times? The one-and-only, the reason for Tesagi?

Also, try to imagine what Soma must have felt like. Game 3 really was the turn of the tide. The only game that Flash won after that was game 5 which doesn't even feel like it counts.

With how Flash perceived himself, with how all odds were stacked in his favour... I think he truly believed to be the best of all. But he got outplayed, outclassed, and humbled. There's no coming back from this.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8146 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-04 13:24:22
June 04 2026 13:24 GMT
#949
The idea that Flash is not the best of all is kind of hilarious.

Guy comes back after 5 freaking years with an excruciating injury and comes incredibly close to winning the whole thing, having obliterated the best terran in the world and facing the world’s top zerg in an incredibly unfavorable meta, where zerg has won every single ASL for 3 years.

Outclassed and humbled, no return. Mate what are you talking about lol.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10349 Posts
June 04 2026 13:47 GMT
#950
Soma would need about 10 years of dominance to even enter a conversation about being the GOAT. FlaSh already is, immutably so. One finals loss at the twilight of a 20 year career is nothing.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
June 04 2026 15:08 GMT
#951
On June 04 2026 22:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
The idea that Flash is not the best of all is kind of hilarious.

Guy comes back after 5 freaking years with an excruciating injury and comes incredibly close to winning the whole thing, having obliterated the best terran in the world and facing the world’s top zerg in an incredibly unfavorable meta, where zerg has won every single ASL for 3 years.

Outclassed and humbled, no return. Mate what are you talking about lol.


Did we forget everyone called this map pool terran favored though, which does not fit your "unfavorable meta" claim. That aside, Flash played really well.
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Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
731 Posts
June 04 2026 15:13 GMT
#952
guys I'm not saying that Flash is no longer the goat

I just don't think he'll have the motivation for another ASL run after such a loss
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7009 Posts
June 04 2026 15:32 GMT
#953
On June 05 2026 00:13 Kraekkling wrote:
guys I'm not saying that Flash is no longer the goat

I just don't think he'll have the motivation for another ASL run after such a loss


Idk but if i was FlaSh my biggest concern will be about fixing that hand issue and having a normal life ( he even said that eating with chopticks is now an issue) than thinking about another ASL or w.e in the near future.

About the other stuff i wonder why are you going so hard at flash ? Flash is and will be the goat of SC forever. not amount of ASL can really turn that around. The only way that changes is that some organization put teamhouses and pro teams etc and do the Proleague and tournaments circuit again.

I think savior vs nada OSL final everyone was expecting NaDa to take it ? he won the OSL prior to that one. The MP was insanely terran too. Proly more than this MP tbh. But i wasnt really around that era so i dont know.

Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia979 Posts
June 04 2026 16:40 GMT
#954
There were professional games with people going 1 hatch muta in desperation, so yes, map pool was broken as fuck
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10528 Posts
June 04 2026 16:42 GMT
#955
On June 04 2026 21:27 Kraekkling wrote:
There's no coming back for Flash after this imo.

He really put himself out there like he is the antagonist, and everything about the storyline was shaped in a way to tip the odds in his favour..... just so the true protagonist could shine even more. Its almost absurd if you think about it

Flash

- somehow fooled Soma into spending a great chunk of his prep time on valk builds, which he didn't use even once
- gambled like crazy with 13CC openers
- actually had build order advantage every single game
- got to play on an incredibly Terran favoured map pool. like, unprecedentedly Terran favoured. I'm not sure there even ever was another finals where the map odds were so heavy against the eventual winner (except, maybe, Bisu vs Savior)
- went fully dark during prep time, noone knew what he was preparing
- mentioned several times that he is trying as hard as he can, and his performance isn't too far from his peak years ago
- even did the cocky 5-titles-repeat-gesture

I wonder what Flash felt like when he was 2-0 up. Everything going according to plan? 5-peat? Is he truly the greatest of all times? The one-and-only, the reason for Tesagi?

Also, try to imagine what Soma must have felt like. Game 3 really was the turn of the tide. The only game that Flash won after that was game 5 which doesn't even feel like it counts.

With how Flash perceived himself, with how all odds were stacked in his favour... I think he truly believed to be the best of all. But he got outplayed, outclassed, and humbled. There's no coming back from this.

Savior vs Nada on Reverse Temple/Longinus pro-TvZ meta was another huge upset if we're talking about players overcoming awful map pools.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8146 Posts
June 04 2026 17:44 GMT
#956
On June 05 2026 00:13 Kraekkling wrote:
guys I'm not saying that Flash is no longer the goat

I just don't think he'll have the motivation for another ASL run after such a loss

In jinjin video he said he didn’t expect to go to the finals and said he’s happy to finish on a high note. He also mentioned how bad his arm is.

Like, if he had lost 3-0 in the group stage what you say would make some sense. But even for him, it’s been an absolutely amazing run considering he didn’t participate for 5 years and is injured like that.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8146 Posts
June 04 2026 17:49 GMT
#957
On June 05 2026 00:08 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2026 22:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
The idea that Flash is not the best of all is kind of hilarious.

Guy comes back after 5 freaking years with an excruciating injury and comes incredibly close to winning the whole thing, having obliterated the best terran in the world and facing the world’s top zerg in an incredibly unfavorable meta, where zerg has won every single ASL for 3 years.

Outclassed and humbled, no return. Mate what are you talking about lol.


Did we forget everyone called this map pool terran favored though, which does not fit your "unfavorable meta" claim. That aside, Flash played really well.

Honestly, I think that even with that map pool, at the very highest of levels, zerg is still favoured. Terrans did amazing in the qualifiers and the first stages, but i just don’t see a Light or a Snow winning against a Soma in a Bo7 finals.

It’s not to take anything away from Soma, just that Skterran doesn’t seem to work that well anymore, mech is generally really hard to pull off and so Terran is bound to go for those super technical builds and hope for a timing attack.

I might be wrong, but i think there is a reason that zerg wins the whole thing for a sixth season in a row.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10528 Posts
June 04 2026 19:43 GMT
#958
On June 05 2026 02:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2026 00:08 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On June 04 2026 22:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
The idea that Flash is not the best of all is kind of hilarious.

Guy comes back after 5 freaking years with an excruciating injury and comes incredibly close to winning the whole thing, having obliterated the best terran in the world and facing the world’s top zerg in an incredibly unfavorable meta, where zerg has won every single ASL for 3 years.

Outclassed and humbled, no return. Mate what are you talking about lol.


Did we forget everyone called this map pool terran favored though, which does not fit your "unfavorable meta" claim. That aside, Flash played really well.

Honestly, I think that even with that map pool, at the very highest of levels, zerg is still favoured. Terrans did amazing in the qualifiers and the first stages, but i just don’t see a Light or a Snow winning against a Soma in a Bo7 finals.

It’s not to take anything away from Soma, just that Skterran doesn’t seem to work that well anymore, mech is generally really hard to pull off and so Terran is bound to go for those super technical builds and hope for a timing attack.

I might be wrong, but i think there is a reason that zerg wins the whole thing for a sixth season in a row.

Are Zergs winning because they are the best in the world, or are players the best in the world because they are Zergs?
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Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States530 Posts
June 04 2026 20:00 GMT
#959
Idk where this consensus idea of a Terran favored map pool came from. In the stats it doesn't exist. Of the qualifier maps for ASL 21, it doesn't exist either.

And it breaks down all together when you start examining individual games played. So is it just because people see more Terrans in the tournament?

I think it's worth talking about how safe maps are nowadays for Zerg players, and, that's a major factor in their supposed race dominance. If I came back to play competitive BW, I'm definitely picking Zerg.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10528 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-04 20:55:33
June 04 2026 20:50 GMT
#960
On June 05 2026 05:00 Xenixx wrote:
Idk where this consensus idea of a Terran favored map pool came from. In the stats it doesn't exist. Of the qualifier maps for ASL 21, it doesn't exist either.

And it breaks down all together when you start examining individual games played. So is it just because people see more Terrans in the tournament?

I think it's worth talking about how safe maps are nowadays for Zerg players, and, that's a major factor in their supposed race dominance. If I came back to play competitive BW, I'm definitely picking Zerg.

If you look at the statistics, it's pretty clear this season had overwhelming Terran favored stats.

Neo Sylphid is 52% TZ and 58% TP
Pole Star is 59% TZ and 57% TP
Knockout is 53.4% TZ and 52% TP
Octagon is 53.3% TZ and 60% TP
Attitude is 50% TZ and 62% TP
Jane Doe is 59.7% TZ and 44.3% TP (weak TvP cause of carriers)

Match Point is the only map where Terrans are crushed, with 47% TZ and 44% TP

So yeah, as normal 2p maps TP is weak for Terran, but otherwise all other maps are healthy Terran advantages in both matchups. If you look at other popular 4p maps like Radeon and Retro, those are much more balanced. Radeon being removed was a big blow to the other races as it got replaced by maps like Octagon/Attitude which are much better for Terran. Knockout is presently the most balanced 4p map in the tournament pool and likely will continue to be used in the future. But it's clear overly cookie cutter rotational symmetry maps are too strong for Terran, and more 4p maps need to utilize mirror symmetry to achieve better balance. Or we remove a 4p map and add a 3p map as 3p maps tend to be much more balanced than 4p maps, which I've advocated for.

Neo Sylphid is pretty good for Terran as a 3p map compared to examples like Dominator, Apocalypse, Monopoly. Old Sylphid was much more balanced.
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