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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3181 Posts
2 hours ago
#681
On May 26 2026 02:24 sc2turtlepants wrote:
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On May 26 2026 02:15 TMNT wrote:

Flash types gg at 4:45 (at that point he's absolutely dead)
(...)
I don't know the exact time he can reclaim the main but no one can tell me the game is not playable for Terran when the Zerg is still on 6-7 drones at 4:45


So which claim are you making? That Flash is absolutely dead at 4:45 or that it's playable?

He's absolutely dead at 4:45 when he calls gg.

The latter sentence refers to the case when Flash would evacuate to the nat at 3:40, at that point Soma already makes those subsequent lings (or they are already in the eggs) so Soma would still be stuck on 5 drones at home (not 6-7).
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6979 Posts
2 hours ago
#682
When Soma run by with lings and 2 drones to FlaSh main there is no doubt that the most optimal defense is to evacuate those scvs to the Natural. The 2 supplies the barrack the CC is all at the natural. This doesnt mean FlaSh will be ahead from that situation tho. But he will survive. He will get that second barrack he cancelled. Most likely clean those units in the main without issues after getting to 5 marines and start mining again. Soma logic about 7 patches is not really that interesting to me. Scvs and probes specially mine better than zerg when it comes to less patches. So lets say flash build up to 14 scvs while cleaning the main. That saturation will be in fact really good. Soma back home has no hatchery. Still has many units in Flash main and 2 drones. That means either he trade that or use Larva on overlord still being on 1 hatchery. So i still think he will be ahead but will still be required to fight that game. I think Flash having used that gameplan there was a chance for him to fight back that game. But we will never know.
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1513 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-25 18:07:10
1 hour ago
#683
On May 26 2026 02:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
When Soma run by with lings and 2 drones to FlaSh main there is no doubt that the most optimal defense is to evacuate those scvs to the Natural. The 2 supplies the barrack the CC is all at the natural. This doesnt mean FlaSh will be ahead from that situation tho. But he will survive. He will get that second barrack he cancelled. Most likely clean those units in the main without issues after getting to 5 marines and start mining again. Soma logic about 7 patches is not really that interesting to me. Scvs and probes specially mine better than zerg when it comes to less patches. So lets say flash build up to 14 scvs while cleaning the main. That saturation will be in fact really good. Soma back home has no hatchery. Still has many units in Flash main and 2 drones. That means either he trade that or use Larva on overlord still being on 1 hatchery. So i still think he will be ahead but will still be required to fight that game. I think Flash having used that gameplan there was a chance for him to fight back that game. But we will never know.


Think flash's entire gameplay revolved around staying in significant lead and keeping it. It didnt seem like he was that confident on playing out even/slight lead games and his wrists may have played part. Him trying to stay in game not being behind at all costs trying to defend at main instead of safer but behind option at natural probably indicated it idk.

That sylphid game where he overextended heavily trying to secure lead and 8rax game where he tried to kill off game defending at natural showed that prolly? Seemed like he was trying to avoid longer game at all costs
HolySmokes
Profile Joined December 2024
57 Posts
1 hour ago
#684
On May 26 2026 02:03 jinjin5000 wrote:


Q: Are you ahead even if defended?
A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining
Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches.
A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches!

Will release pro compilation on final game alone as it raised a lot of controversy on reddit among people who are claiming they know better than cherrypicked pros. Need SOOP regulation+tastosis release before public though


Unfuckingbelievable. The Koreans have resorted to using random analysis from netizens to justify Flash's loss. I knew something was fishy and this confirms it. It's clear what this is all about. Flash is in deep shit from his crypto scam and needs money so he threw game 7 to cash in on a bet he made on himself losing 3-4. That's why he joined this ASL and hyped it up. This guy is Ma Bonjwa II.
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia968 Posts
1 hour ago
#685
To me, the entire series Flash seemed to play with a mindset that he didn't want an even game, never mind to play from behind. Taking a risk to try and clear initial lings in main(and messing up letting 2nd runby through) seems to be in line with that kind of attitude.

Personal opinion, of course.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3181 Posts
1 hour ago
#686
By the way I'm glad Soma won this despite it means Zerg has won 6 in a row.

What Flash has brought to this tournament feels quite meh to me. I acknowledge the issue with his wirst, but it seems like his entire modus operandi for the tournament is to get ahead with build order (mostly by going CC first) then brute force his way to victory. Some people may sugarcoat it by saying he won the mind game or whatever, but truth is he can't decide where his opponents spawn, when they scout and whether they're going to rush or not. We have neither seen godlike macro nor fancy micro (rather poor micro actually) in all his non-mirror matchups.

And I saw he had way better games than these in online Proleague in the past years, when he didn't "grind" offstream games like this to prepare for ASL.
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States534 Posts
1 hour ago
#687
Pretty lackluster finals IMO, was hoping to see a couple of games go the distance. At least games 2 and 6 were somewhat interesting but the rest were meh. Hopefully Flash comes back in the future. GGs.
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