Flash types gg at 4:45 (at that point he's absolutely dead) (...) I don't know the exact time he can reclaim the main but no one can tell me the game is not playable for Terran when the Zerg is still on 6-7 drones at 4:45
So which claim are you making? That Flash is absolutely dead at 4:45 or that it's playable?
He's absolutely dead at 4:45 when he calls gg.
The latter sentence refers to the case when Flash would evacuate to the nat at 3:40, at that point Soma already makes those subsequent lings (or they are already in the eggs) so Soma would still be stuck on 5 drones at home (not 6-7).
When Soma run by with lings and 2 drones to FlaSh main there is no doubt that the most optimal defense is to evacuate those scvs to the Natural. The 2 supplies the barrack the CC is all at the natural. This doesnt mean FlaSh will be ahead from that situation tho. But he will survive. He will get that second barrack he cancelled. Most likely clean those units in the main without issues after getting to 5 marines and start mining again. Soma logic about 7 patches is not really that interesting to me. Scvs and probes specially mine better than zerg when it comes to less patches. So lets say flash build up to 14 scvs while cleaning the main. That saturation will be in fact really good. Soma back home has no hatchery. Still has many units in Flash main and 2 drones. That means either he trade that or use Larva on overlord still being on 1 hatchery. So i still think he will be ahead but will still be required to fight that game. I think Flash having used that gameplan there was a chance for him to fight back that game. But we will never know.
On May 26 2026 02:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: When Soma run by with lings and 2 drones to FlaSh main there is no doubt that the most optimal defense is to evacuate those scvs to the Natural. The 2 supplies the barrack the CC is all at the natural. This doesnt mean FlaSh will be ahead from that situation tho. But he will survive. He will get that second barrack he cancelled. Most likely clean those units in the main without issues after getting to 5 marines and start mining again. Soma logic about 7 patches is not really that interesting to me. Scvs and probes specially mine better than zerg when it comes to less patches. So lets say flash build up to 14 scvs while cleaning the main. That saturation will be in fact really good. Soma back home has no hatchery. Still has many units in Flash main and 2 drones. That means either he trade that or use Larva on overlord still being on 1 hatchery. So i still think he will be ahead but will still be required to fight that game. I think Flash having used that gameplan there was a chance for him to fight back that game. But we will never know.
Think flash's entire gameplay revolved around staying in significant lead and keeping it. It didnt seem like he was that confident on playing out even/slight lead games and his wrists may have played part. Him trying to stay in game not being behind at all costs trying to defend at main instead of safer but behind option at natural probably indicated it idk.
That sylphid game where he overextended heavily trying to secure lead and 8rax game where he tried to kill off game defending at natural showed that prolly? Seemed like he was trying to avoid longer game at all costs
Q: Are you ahead even if defended? A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches. A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches!
Will release pro compilation on final game alone as it raised a lot of controversy on reddit among people who are claiming they know better than cherrypicked pros. Need SOOP regulation+tastosis release before public though
Unfuckingbelievable. The Koreans have resorted to using random analysis from netizens to justify Flash's loss. I knew something was fishy and this confirms it. It's clear what this is all about. Flash is in deep shit from his crypto scam and needs money so he threw game 7 to cash in on a bet he made on himself losing 3-4. That's why he joined this ASL and hyped it up. This guy is Ma Bonjwa II.
To me, the entire series Flash seemed to play with a mindset that he didn't want an even game, never mind to play from behind. Taking a risk to try and clear initial lings in main(and messing up letting 2nd runby through) seems to be in line with that kind of attitude.
By the way I'm glad Soma won this despite it means Zerg has won 6 in a row.
What Flash has brought to this tournament feels quite meh to me. I acknowledge the issue with his wirst, but it seems like his entire modus operandi for the tournament is to get ahead with build order (mostly by going CC first) then brute force his way to victory. Some people may sugarcoat it by saying he won the mind game or whatever, but truth is he can't decide where his opponents spawn, when they scout and whether they're going to rush or not. We have neither seen godlike macro nor fancy micro (rather poor micro actually) in all his non-mirror matchups.
And I saw he had way better games than these in online Proleague in the past years, when he didn't "grind" offstream games like this to prepare for ASL.
Pretty lackluster finals IMO, was hoping to see a couple of games go the distance. At least games 2 and 6 were somewhat interesting but the rest were meh. Hopefully Flash comes back in the future. GGs.
Happy that Soma won the series with a symbolic speed ling kill on match point. zvt has become a terrible match up to play and watch these days thanks to these monkey mech builds.
On May 26 2026 03:49 Soulforged wrote: To me, the entire series Flash seemed to play with a mindset that he didn't want an even game, never mind to play from behind. Taking a risk to try and clear initial lings in main(and messing up letting 2nd runby through) seems to be in line with that kind of attitude.
Personal opinion, of course.
Yes, agree. This is why I got so mad/disappointed he didn't immediately give up the main and was so stubborn to make his scvs perform like they're real gundams in the main. The mining time loss and even risking scvs there didn't make any sense other than pure greed.
Like in the very last game, you really don't want to give it your all anymore? Or was it cockiness that backfired? Whatever the case it wasn't the time and place to get cocky nor greedy. When I see shit like this happen to Sharp/Rush/sSak they just go 1 base until they can reclaim their other base and decide later if they're really done or not. Why couldn't Flash who's arguably a tier above them do that?
On May 26 2026 03:52 TMNT wrote: By the way I'm glad Soma won this despite it means Zerg has won 6 in a row.
What Flash has brought to this tournament feels quite meh to me. I acknowledge the issue with his wirst, but it seems like his entire modus operandi for the tournament is to get ahead with build order (mostly by going CC first) then brute force his way to victory. Some people may sugarcoat it by saying he won the mind game or whatever, but truth is he can't decide where his opponents spawn, when they scout and whether they're going to rush or not. We have neither seen godlike macro nor fancy micro (rather poor micro actually) in all his non-mirror matchups.
And I saw he had way better games than these in online Proleague in the past years, when he didn't "grind" offstream games like this to prepare for ASL.
I'm glad Soma won because flash winning would have been terrible for the scene. People already idolize flash more than is healthy, and him winning would have undercut the achievements of everyone else moving forward. Nevermind that aside from Light and Soma his bracket was a breeze, and nevermind the terran map pool. Also fitting that Soma stopped his random and his return years later. I wonder if he now has a winning record vs Flash? Not sure how to find that out.
On May 26 2026 03:49 Soulforged wrote: To me, the entire series Flash seemed to play with a mindset that he didn't want an even game, never mind to play from behind. Taking a risk to try and clear initial lings in main(and messing up letting 2nd runby through) seems to be in line with that kind of attitude.
Personal opinion, of course.
Yes, agree. This is why I got so mad/disappointed he didn't immediately give up the main and was so stubborn to make his scvs perform like they're real gundams in the main. The mining time loss and even risking scvs there didn't make any sense other than pure greed.
Like in the very last game, you really don't want to give it your all anymore? Or was it cockiness that backfired? Whatever the case it wasn't the time and place to get cocky nor greedy. When I see shit like this happen to Sharp/Rush/sSak they just go 1 base until they can reclaim their other base and decide later if they're really done or not. Why couldn't Flash who's arguably a tier above them do that?
he panicked and collapsed mentally. same thing happened on matchpoint vs effort except flash was already tilted from throwing the 8 rax game and the base race game.
Agree. We could have had a Magnus Carlsen situation where the best player is not the champion, and refuses to play the world championship.
Now there is no doubt about it. The fact that Flash felt compelled to 14 cc so much despite there already being Tesagi and Mapsagi...
The scene could finally move on from Flash now like they did from Boxer back then....
Honestly the loss is tiny for the scene as compared to when Boxer went to the army, especially as Flash does not command as much aura as Boxer back then and due to the crypto BS.
On May 25 2026 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: Explain to me why is a 2 year old post about mineral boosting on dominator even relevant to flash vs soma on match point.
Yeah, why even compare? Do these pros even favor edge cases, push their luck into those in all games, or are we watching just a dominator game vs match point comparison? Was I even thinking of dominator when I wrote it in that thread? Just shows how little you reflect upon my line of thinking. If Snow hadn't been eliminated, I bet we would still watch FE vs hydrabust play out and you guys would still argue like it is a coin toss. You still cannot arrive at the result that giving zerg full map control at any point of the game is literally the decisive end point of sauron zerg. GG from then on. Sauron zerg is a thing just to drive the point home that you cannot give total map control to zerg. Terran and protoss cannot FE or 14CC vs zerg with 100% scout. It is literally game breaking if opponent scouts your base and only Soulkey doesn't scout your base...
Q: Are you ahead even if defended? A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches. A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches!
Will release pro compilation on final game alone as it raised a lot of controversy on reddit among people who are claiming they know better than cherrypicked pros. Need SOOP regulation+tastosis release before public though
Unfuckingbelievable. The Koreans have resorted to using random analysis from netizens to justify Flash's loss. I knew something was fishy and this confirms it. It's clear what this is all about. Flash is in deep shit from his crypto scam and needs money so he threw game 7 to cash in on a bet he made on himself losing 3-4. That's why he joined this ASL and hyped it up. This guy is Ma Bonjwa II.
Q: Are you ahead even if defended? A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches. A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches!
Will release pro compilation on final game alone as it raised a lot of controversy on reddit among people who are claiming they know better than cherrypicked pros. Need SOOP regulation+tastosis release before public though
Ok I feel dumb debating an ASL winner but whats the logic of 7 mineral patches being relevant in this game? It’s not like Flash will mine only those 7 mineral patches the rest of the game.
Q: Are you ahead even if defended? A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches. A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches!
Will release pro compilation on final game alone as it raised a lot of controversy on reddit among people who are claiming they know better than cherrypicked pros. Need SOOP regulation+tastosis release before public though
Ok I feel dumb debating an ASL winner but whats the logic of 7 mineral patches being relevant in this game? It’s not like Flash will mine only those 7 mineral patches the rest of the game.
I will just translate somas review. Should be out publicly a week after Tastosis vods out
He said Terran's tech advancing speed is really slow with only 7 mineral patches. He felt game was in his favor as soon as lings entered main, and felt was won by time 2 lings ran in and killed Marine. The 2nd big ling runby soon after nailed the game.
The 7 mineral patches is totally irrelevant at that point in the game.
As I said Flash has 15-16 SCVs when the first lings run by. Say he uses 4 to plug the entrance, 1 to build the gas (then when it finishes send another 2 that he builds during that time to mine gas), he'd be in fact very well saturated after 1 minute of constantly building SCVs. At that point he'd also have 6 marines too and can start clearing the main with 4 of them and leave 2 in the bunker.
7 patches only slow Terran down if they continue to mine them for the next 5 mins or so. Whereas don't forget Soma is on 5 drones lol. Not like he's going anywhere fast.
On May 26 2026 10:32 TMNT wrote: The 7 mineral patches is totally irrelevant at that point in the game.
As I said Flash has 15-16 SCVs when the first lings run by. Say he uses 4 to plug the entrance, 1 to build the gas (then when it finishes send another 2 that he builds during that time to mine gas), he'd be in fact very well saturated after 1 minute of constantly building SCVs. At that point he'd also have 6 marines too and can start clearing the main with 4 of them and leave 2 in the bunker.
7 patches only slow Terran down if they continue to mine them for the next 5 mins or so. Whereas don't forget Soma is on 5 drones lol. Not like he's going anywhere fast.
if this was a 4 pool your logic makes sense but soma had far more resources (200 gas + speed already researched) + another hatchery making by then. you have to keep in mind that zergs can kill terrans with very few drones if terran is poor and behind on tech tree.
flash wanted to block entrance with 2nd barracks but canceled because he realized he had no money left. if scvs tried to transfer to the natural there’s 0 mineral income and it would be a significant % loss in mining income for the same # of scvs because of the 7 mineral patches.
by the time flash stabilizes soma would have had lair + spire and flash would have been poor + very little sim city space in the natural of match point. that’s death vs soma mutalisks.
the 4-5 drones blocking the first barracks getting kills and allowing speed zerglings into the main was where game was tilted significantly into soma’s favor. flash just played really bad after that (esp when the 2 zerglings killed the marine in the choke)
On May 26 2026 10:32 TMNT wrote: The 7 mineral patches is totally irrelevant at that point in the game.
As I said Flash has 15-16 SCVs when the first lings run by. Say he uses 4 to plug the entrance, 1 to build the gas (then when it finishes send another 2 that he builds during that time to mine gas), he'd be in fact very well saturated after 1 minute of constantly building SCVs. At that point he'd also have 6 marines too and can start clearing the main with 4 of them and leave 2 in the bunker.
7 patches only slow Terran down if they continue to mine them for the next 5 mins or so. Whereas don't forget Soma is on 5 drones lol. Not like he's going anywhere fast.
It was 8 drones in a few second, and the time it takes Flash to get 6 marines (90 seconds), zerg will produce either 14 lings from a single hatch or 7 drones... and Soma is about to get a second hatch in 45 seconds, so add 6-8 lings or 3-4 drones to this.
So the time it takes flash 6 marines to clear the main, he is risking another runby if Soma decides to mass 20 lings instead. Or Soma can decide to add 10 more drones to his 8, saturating 2 bases vs 7 mineral patch terran.
There is a reason 20 pros said that it was already over at this point, but somehow all the foreign terrans here (also by fudging numbers by 'forgetting' drones) know better than Flash.... foreign terran delusion strikes again
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