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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines788 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines788 Posts
i mean soma is probably the #1 mineral booster, but IMO flash is closely vying for that spot with how well he mineral boosts | ||
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Kraekkling
736 Posts
On May 25 2026 14:54 Liquid`Ret wrote: This has been used many times in the past before. Even saw it used casually in a few soulkey ladder replays i downloaded a few months ago. So it's been a thing. did we really see so many drone rushes in the past, that it's not surprising to see it be done twice in an ASL finals? I also saw a ferrari once somewhere, I'd still be astonished if I ended up in a city where like 25% of cars are ferraris | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
On May 25 2026 16:39 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: bruh of course flash minerals boosts too... there was a point when he didn't several years ago, but once he picked it up he instantly became one of the best mineral boosters. flash is the first terran i've seen to mineral boost so well that he turned 14cc into 13cc The problem with mineral boost with terran is you have 14cc. With zerg, you have spawning pool and 8 zerglings, its direct counter. On May 25 2026 17:50 Kraekkling wrote: did we really see so many drone rushes in the past, that it's not surprising to see it be done twice in an ASL finals? like what I also saw a ferrari once somewhere, I'd still be astonished if I ended up in a city where like 25% of cars are ferraris Indeed. Some people don't register how hard it is to drone pull for zerg when drones are the least numerous workers out of three races. You have to be honed in 100% to even entertain the idea, let alone pull it off. | ||
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Kyle8
39 Posts
ahahaha history repeats itself | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7021 Posts
On May 25 2026 07:31 Kraekkling wrote: why does no one talk about the four-drone-pull vs CC first? game 3 and game 7, Soma did it twice but with a different follow-up is this going to be the new meta when Z first-scouts vs CC first? if it's works well enough to be played vs Flash in the ASL finals, twice...? Bringing drones to kill Scvs ot delay buildings is not something new vs 14 CC. But some conditions are required for it. In the last specificially i think the fact that Soma blocked FlaSh barrrack and didnt allow to line perfectly to the Sim city did help a ton the drone push. Also something very interesting about FlaSh is that he doesnt do particulary well when it comes to the last game in a series. He is extremely dominating in Finals when the score is 3-1 3-0 but at this point i have seen him bleeding a lot in closer series. Funny enough if ASL was still bo5 he would have won that :D . Another interesting thing is that he loves to do 14 CC in the last game. Did it vs GGplay. Did it vs Effort and did it vs SOma. Did it vs Jaedong in the Hana MSL final. I will need to rewatch more series to remember. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13086 Posts
You are playing for the championship and even if you are way behind you play it out until there is 100% chance you are dead. In those scrappy games there are twists and turns and he wasn't definitely dead, 2 cc with more workers and no supply depo lost. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8085 Posts
 . Let's see the Bo7 ^^ | ||
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SCRVN
227 Posts
FlaSh gg: Zerg: 98 Mineral + 228 Gas + 12/17 Supply + 1.01 Hatchery vs Terran: 50 Mineral + 0 Gas + 12/36 Supply + 2 Command Center + 1 Barrack + 1 Bunker 4 Speed Zerglings couldn't do anything at that time. They even didn't go together. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden558 Posts
On May 25 2026 21:23 SCRVN wrote: It's so simple to see the result, if you know a little math. FlaSh gg: Zerg: 98 Mineral + 228 Gas + 12/17 Supply + 1.01 Hatchery vs Terran: 50 Mineral + 0 Gas + 12/36 Supply + 2 Command Center + 1 Barrack + 1 Bunker 4 Speed Zerglings couldn't do anything at that time. They even didn't go together. = ??? | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
You and me both. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
If this wasn’t Flash and Soma I’d say match fixing. So ridiculously stupid of him. AT LEAST TRY ffs | ||
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Jealous
10364 Posts
On May 25 2026 13:51 CHEONSOYUN wrote: what if he’s protoss and you’re terran. could easily lose money 😀 | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8182 Posts
On May 25 2026 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: Explain to me why is a 2 year old post about mineral boosting on dominator even relevant to flash vs soma on match point. If that guy is a troll he is kind of a genius. I fear he is not though. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1558 Posts
Q: Are you ahead even if defended? A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches. A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches! Will release pro compilation on final game alone as it raised a lot of controversy on reddit among people who are claiming they know better than cherrypicked pros. Need SOOP regulation+tastosis release before public though | ||
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TMNT
3302 Posts
On May 25 2026 06:38 skelet wrote: And in addition to that, I thought lifting the CC at the right time and mining nat would make Flash win 100%. Wrong again, after more analysis! Soma had enough drones (probably 8), sufficient gas, 2nd hatch nearly ready while Flash would have struggled with mining 7 patch nat, no gas, no refinery, constant speedling surround thread. Soma's mutas would have crippled him fast, no time to develop to properly defend main. You're not wrong. I mean, 100% winning chance is ovbiously not true, but if we are talking about decision making, then lifting main and evacuating to nat is absolutely the right one. It's just a lot of people have doubt about themselves when they have to question Flash's decision, so they are second guessing themselves. Around 3:40, when the first marine gets into the bunker and the 3 lings + 2 drones run into to the main, the supply is Flash 18 - 14 Soma. If you watch the minimap during the follow up minute, there are 10 lings that follow the first wave. You can do the maths and see Soma is on 6 drones while Flash must have 15-16 SCVs. The 2nd Hatch goes down at 4:15, which means it will go up at 5:30. Flash types gg at 4:45 (at that point he's absolutely dead), when the supply is 14-14 and Soma has 8 lings + 1 drone in Flash's main + 4 other lings on the map. The bunker covers the nat mineral line. Proof: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/StsL18C.png) He can comfortably mine 7 patches with 10 SCVs while having 5-6 SCVs blocking the entrance and building up marines to clear just 2 drones and 3 lings. I don't know the exact time he can reclaim the main but no one can tell me the game is not playable for Terran when the Zerg is still on 6-7 drones at 4:45 with the second Hatch still 45s to go up. If anything it may trigger Soma to dive in the bunker with everything he had and lose the game himself right there. Also you don't have to doubt yourself because Effort was also screaming at Flash to evacuate to the nat the whole time. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1558 Posts
On May 26 2026 02:15 TMNT wrote: You're not wrong. I mean, 100% winning chance is ovbiously not true, but if we are talking about decision making, then lifting main and evacuating to nat is absolutely the right one. It's just a lot of people have doubt about themselves when they have to question Flash's decision, so they are second guessing themselves. Around 3:40, when the first marine gets into the bunker and the 3 lings + 2 drones run into to the main, the supply is Flash 18 - 14 Soma. If you watch the minimap during the follow up minute, there are 10 lings that follow the first wave. You can do the maths and see Soma is on 6 drones while Flash must have 15-16 SCVs. The 2nd Hatch goes down at 4:15, which means it will go up at 5:30. Flash types gg at 4:45 (at that point he's absolutely dead), when the supply is 14-14 and Soma has 8 lings + 1 drone in Flash's main + 4 other lings on the map. That means Soma is still on 7 drones max (maybe 6 if the one in the egg is another pair of lings). The bunker covers the nat mineral line. Proof: He can comfortably mine 7 patches with 10 SCVs while having 5-6 SCVs blocking the entrance and building up marines to clear just 2 drones and 3 lings. I don't know the exact time he can reclaim the main but no one can tell me the game is not playable for Terran when the Zerg is still on 6-7 drones at 4:45 with the second Hatch still 45s to go up. If anything it may trigger Soma to dive in the bunker with everything he had and lose the game himself right there. Also you don't have to doubt yourself because Effort was also screaming at Flash to evacuate to the nat the whole time. It kinda felt like most off non-terran streamers called for transfer while terran mains were calling game to be over when lings got inside You know, even as someone who browsed this scandal a lot and did bit of research for that thread and vid, I never got this obsession with crypto scandal. Maybe its because I've lived in west for way too long and crypto incident is just an everyday thing here, but I feel like netizens are rabid and desperate to hunt for someone to cancel at all times. Including that lee Kang in ping pong incident which is absolutely nothing in non Korean countries Almost seems like people are desperate for those fall from heavens story and desire these at all times. | ||
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sc2turtlepants
60 Posts
On May 26 2026 02:15 TMNT wrote: Flash types gg at 4:45 (at that point he's absolutely dead) (...) I don't know the exact time he can reclaim the main but no one can tell me the game is not playable for Terran when the Zerg is still on 6-7 drones at 4:45 So which claim are you making? That Flash is absolutely dead at 4:45 or that it's playable? | ||
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