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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
On May 25 2026 13:51 CHEONSOYUN wrote: what if he’s protoss and you’re terran. could easily lose money he's mentioned before he used to play zerg. Used to because he doesn't play the game anymore, just talks nonsense about strategy while ignoring the real time side of a Real Time Strategy game. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7584 Posts
It feels insane to have not known this was an option. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10554 Posts
On May 25 2026 13:51 CHEONSOYUN wrote: what if he’s protoss and you’re terran. could easily lose money Couldn't care less what race he's playing because he's awful and doesn't actually play the game. He can race pick, play random, whatever. On May 25 2026 14:11 AttackZerg wrote: I did drone scout and 5 drone pull and the timing works awesome. The drones cross map on polypoid show up 2 seconds before marine pops out, ez to zone it away from bunker. It feels insane to have not known this was an option. What if Terran responds faster and scouts the pull and reacts in time with 5 scvs of their own to buy time for the marine? Aren't you just fucked since even if you pull the drones all the way back to your natural, Terran SCVs are already at their natural and can return to mine instantly. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
On May 25 2026 14:11 AttackZerg wrote: I did drone scout and 5 drone pull and the timing works awesome. The drones cross map on polypoid show up 2 seconds before marine pops out, ez to zone it away from bunker. It feels insane to have not known this was an option. That’s why BW is awesome, Soma probably prepared this extensively to use it against Flash. Vs other players he would have killed them outright but Flash somehow got his first marine in the bunker | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7584 Posts
On May 25 2026 14:13 FlaShFTW wrote: Couldn't care less what race he's playing because he's awful and doesn't actually play the game. He can race pick, play random, whatever. What if Terran responds faster and scouts the pull and reacts in time with 5 scvs of their own to buy time for the marine? Aren't you just fucked since even if you pull the drones all the way back to your natural, Terran SCVs are already at their natural and can return to mine instantly. Because it was cross map, Terran did not see the pull or drones, so in my game, terrans pull came after mine arrived, it was 6 drones vs 3 scv (1from rax making, 1 chasing scv and 1 from building cc) I used the mineral on the ramp on poly to boost and line up in front of barracks and lings arrived to stop bunker. I did not even engage his scv, just made sure marine couldn't get to bunker. Since this was my first time deploying it, I don't have everything mapped out. My nightmare is what if terran can make a wall and I can't mineral boost through. Then you just suicide-ed awkwardly. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
On May 25 2026 14:13 FlaShFTW wrote: Couldn't care less what race he's playing because he's awful and doesn't actually play the game. He can race pick, play random, whatever. What if Terran responds faster and scouts the pull and reacts in time with 5 scvs of their own to buy time for the marine? Aren't you just fucked since even if you pull the drones all the way back to your natural, Terran SCVs are already at their natural and can return to mine instantly. This is down to Flash’s stubbornness going for cc first on Match Point’s top spawn where marine spawn is facing downwards and there’s alot of surface area for drones. Don’t think this works well for vertical wall-ins | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4529 Posts
On May 25 2026 14:20 Dante08 wrote: That’s why BW is awesome, Soma probably prepared this extensively to use it against Flash. Vs other players he would have killed them outright but Flash somehow got his first marine in the bunker This has been used many times in the past before. Even saw it used casually in a few soulkey ladder replays i downloaded a few months ago. So it's been a thing. | ||
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
On May 24 2026 16:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: because its Flash's final ASL and nobody wanted him to go out that way, its understandable. Doesn't really bother me, he did the cocky Nada hand signal. Which was great cinema but he sure is an arrogant guy, I'm glad Soma humbled him | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
On May 25 2026 14:11 AttackZerg wrote: I did drone scout and 5 drone pull and the timing works awesome. The drones cross map on polypoid show up 2 seconds before marine pops out, ez to zone it away from bunker. It feels insane to have not known this was an option. Yes. It is sad. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines788 Posts
the one game where flash went +1 4 rax bio and crushed soma with a crisp pre-swarm timing is what i feel we would've seen more of, had has hands been in better shape. zergs these days have honed their muta micro and sunken defense timing with the innovations from soulkey/queen/soma to an absurdly high level, but flash (also light) showed that standard bio still works if your macro and control is absolutely cracked i just wish he would learn better ergonomics, because his posture looks terrible for your wrists with the monitor to the side, keyboard tilted in an awkward angle, elbows far too low below the table... maybe he should also take a page off Light's book and crank up the DPI to minimize the degree to which you need to flick your wrist... would take him several months, maybe an entire season to adjust, but it would give his career more longevity | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10554 Posts
Dodging the grudge match are we? | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
615 Posts
On May 25 2026 15:25 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: the one game where flash went +1 4 rax bio and crushed soma with a crisp pre-swarm timing is what i feel we would've seen more of, had has hands been in better shape. zergs these days have honed their muta micro and sunken defense timing with the innovations from soulkey/queen/soma to an absurdly high level, but flash (also light) showed that standard bio still works if your macro and control is absolutely cracked he converted the cc first opening really well with the first timing. killing 2 drones and trading efficiently weakened soma for the rest of the game. hard to say who would have won if it was just 1 barracks cc. i think flash would have been better with bio though even with wrist pains. game 6 soma took full advantage of mech being weak to mutalisks on 2 bases even though flash was close to victory. mech just isn’t that strong vs zerg. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
You are not even in my radar. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
Please don't add delusion to your already ignorant comments on starcraft. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
On May 25 2026 16:02 BLinD-RawR wrote: Please don't add delusion to your already ignorant comments on starcraft. Like comments winning GFs 2 years down the line? Do yourself a favor, stop trolling me. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
On May 25 2026 16:10 mtcn77 wrote: Like comments winning GFs 2 years down the line? Do yourself a favor, stop trolling me. What the fuck are you even talking about? | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4559 Posts
edit: I forgot that youtube comments bubble to the top based on popularity, still, I don't see many talking about it here or don't pay attention enough. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
Don't you think you should find out before harrassing me? You don't read any of my comments? 2 years ago I said, On October 05 2024 23:00 mtcn77 wrote: I did another one of my napkin maths. Just the fact that harvesting equal to 12 SCVs at 9 while foregoing 250 minerals for an overlord and 3 drones and also harvesting 247 minerals more up to this point puts the booster at ~497 mineral advantage at mining parity according to my calculations. At no time does the booster need to stop at 9 drones as well, however 500 minerals is such an advantage, that is already 1 minute ahead in the tech tree. In fact, economically it is more than 2x. 9 drone booster have likely mined 991 minerals when all drones are spent while 12 drones and 1 overlord sets the nonbooster back at 491 minerals. That is 3 larvae and +500 minerals advantage. At 648 mining speed that is a 47 second lead, however since it is compounding the booster reaches 491 minerals 36 seconds sooner - even hatchery @9/9 two larva point. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines788 Posts
On May 25 2026 15:49 CHEONSOYUN wrote: he converted the cc first opening really well with the first timing. killing 2 drones and trading efficiently weakened soma for the rest of the game. hard to say who would have won if it was just 1 barracks cc. i think flash would have been better with bio though even with wrist pains. game 6 soma took full advantage of mech being weak to mutalisks on 2 bases even though flash was close to victory. mech just isn’t that strong vs zerg. jane doe is the exception, i 100% agree going mech there. i've seen soma in practice games (also another zerg i can't recall right now... maybe queen?) do a map specific variant of crazy zerg on that map, where he takes advantage of the fact that he can have 3 gas with only 1 choke to defend. if both people play somewhat standard, terran has an advantage, which attributes to the map's lopsided TvZ win percentage, but soma's jane doe crazy zerg build turns that on its head. i'm sure flash was aware of it and chose to mech that game because of it. was hoping we'd see this build at ASL at least once but i'm guessing terrans had the build on their radar | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
615 Posts
On May 25 2026 16:17 FataLe wrote: The Korean comments on the youtube vod for the series are... focused on a single issue. I didn't know that they felt so strongly about it (im a bw noob), can anyone shed light on why there appears to be a difference between how we (this sub) appears to be talking about the games and the korean comments talking about that crypto stuff. I kind of missed all that anyway. edit: I forgot that youtube comments bubble to the top based on popularity, still, I don't see many talking about it here or don't pay attention enough. https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal | ||
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