On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.
Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"
Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.
I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.
Oh, yeah yeah that was the most recent game. Even if Movie plays non-Rocklike, Shine has a great shot at the finals.
Movies PvZ is better than Storks. He is not to be underestimated, despite the first two games will be a zerg favored map. Movie is even capable of winning on HBR when he beat Zero and By.hero on HBR.
Yeah what awesome logic. Movie's PvZ > Stork's coz he beat Zero and Hero on HBR.
Stork on the other hand beat Zero and Jaedong on HBR. God, Movie's just SO much better...
In other news, just watched the series and it was quite fun but I can't shake the feeling that Flash dominated very hard throughout. Game 3 was the funnest ofc, but jesus. Flash's late game management was just too good. I salute Calm for being able to hang with Flash that long with all those beautiful SV snipes but just @_@ at the HALFMAP turtling LOL.
I don't even know how you can call it turtling at that point. Flash was literally guarding HALF a map. How do you do that? Vs drops, vs guards, vs ultra/ling/filer. Flash was crawling all over the place. It didn't look like much was happening but Calm sure would have tried more drops/guards if he thought he could get away with it. Flash was just way too active with his SVs. The mfer dominated the skies with nothing but irradiate. That is NASTY. And calm tried to drop twice and both were horrible abortions. The first time he managed to drop in the nat and do a lil skirmishing but the second time he just had to tuck tail and run. Flash dominated that series.
Movie's micro and game sense against zergs is much better than Stork's even you have to admit that. The way he destroyed Zero's mutalisk in the second game by teching to Archnons is something Stork hasn't done yet.
Of course Stork has a better record against zergs than Movie because he's played more games, but as of right now Movie's PvZ>Stork's PvZ.
You know what Fireguy? You're absolutely right. Movie is downright revolutionary. I've never heard of Protoss countering muta with an archon before. Stork surely has not discovered this unit yet. He's still trying to surround the mutas with fast +1 speedzeals.
On January 02 2010 00:23 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: As a huge Flash fan I still feel kinda bad for calm. He played so well, I think ANY other terran in the world would've lost this series. Anyways, it's time for Flash to get another well deserved starleague title or two
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, and I doubt anyone wouldn't - even though Calm's name isn't as feared as JD's or Effort's it truly was Clash Of Titans today - something people were expecting of Flash vs JD/Zero. They failed to bring it to high level (i like them both but that is the truth), but Calm didn't and kept up with Flash's INSANELY high level of play
On January 02 2010 00:23 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: As a huge Flash fan I still feel kinda bad for calm. He played so well, I think ANY other terran in the world would've lost this series. Anyways, it's time for Flash to get another well deserved starleague title or two
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly, and I doubt anyone wouldn't - even though Calm's name isn't as feared as JD's or Effort's it truly was Clash Of Titans today - something people were expecting of Flash vs JD/Zero. They failed to bring it to high level (i like them both but that is the truth), but Calm didn't and kept up with Flash's INSANELY high level of play
Yeah Calm's expression in game 4 kind of broke my heart. I've become a Calm/Clam fan after this series, even though I started out rooting for Flash. Calm gave him the best run for his money he's had in 2 months.
On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.
Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"
Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.
I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.
Oh, yeah yeah that was the most recent game. Even if Movie plays non-Rocklike, Shine has a great shot at the finals.
Movies PvZ is better than Storks. He is not to be underestimated, despite the first two games will be a zerg favored map. Movie is even capable of winning on HBR when he beat Zero and By.hero on HBR.
Yeah what awesome logic. Movie's PvZ > Stork's coz he beat Zero and Hero on HBR.
Stork on the other hand beat Zero and Jaedong on HBR. God, Movie's just SO much better...
In other news, just watched the series and it was quite fun but I can't shake the feeling that Flash dominated very hard throughout. Game 3 was the funnest ofc, but jesus. Flash's late game management was just too good. I salute Calm for being able to hang with Flash that long with all those beautiful SV snipes but just @_@ at the HALFMAP turtling LOL.
I don't even know how you can call it turtling at that point. Flash was literally guarding HALF a map. How do you do that? Vs drops, vs guards, vs ultra/ling/filer. Flash was crawling all over the place. It didn't look like much was happening but Calm sure would have tried more drops/guards if he thought he could get away with it. Flash was just way too active with his SVs. The mfer dominated the skies with nothing but irradiate. That is NASTY. And calm tried to drop twice and both were horrible abortions. The first time he managed to drop in the nat and do a lil skirmishing but the second time he just had to tuck tail and run. Flash dominated that series.
Movie's micro and game sense against zergs is much better than Stork's even you have to admit that. The way he destroyed Zero's mutalisk in the second game by teching to Archnons is something Stork hasn't done yet.
Of course Stork has a better record against zergs than Movie because he's played more games, but as of right now Movie's PvZ>Stork's PvZ.
Aside from his last blunder against Effort, over the last couple of months Stork has always managed to take his PvZs to the late game, and even in the few that he lost, he was never really raped. Stork's strategy of securing expansions at the same rate as the zerg while harassing is something that other Protoss can't get quite right, and he has also shown that his decision-making is one of the sharpest around. Sure, he loses to surprise tactics like mass muta and backdoor lings from time to time, but who doesn't?
I'm a huge fan of Movie and he is without a doubt a very solid Protoss (hence why he's on my FPL), but Stork's experience makes him a better and cleaner player in standard PvZ.
Just watched the series, game 3 was really breathtaking. I wonder if battlecruisers would have been good for flash. Calm was always spending all his gas, so countering battlecruisers would have reduced his ultralisk count.
On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.
Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"
Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.
I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.
Oh, yeah yeah that was the most recent game. Even if Movie plays non-Rocklike, Shine has a great shot at the finals.
Movies PvZ is better than Storks. He is not to be underestimated, despite the first two games will be a zerg favored map. Movie is even capable of winning on HBR when he beat Zero and By.hero on HBR.
Yeah what awesome logic. Movie's PvZ > Stork's coz he beat Zero and Hero on HBR.
Stork on the other hand beat Zero and Jaedong on HBR. God, Movie's just SO much better...
In other news, just watched the series and it was quite fun but I can't shake the feeling that Flash dominated very hard throughout. Game 3 was the funnest ofc, but jesus. Flash's late game management was just too good. I salute Calm for being able to hang with Flash that long with all those beautiful SV snipes but just @_@ at the HALFMAP turtling LOL.
I don't even know how you can call it turtling at that point. Flash was literally guarding HALF a map. How do you do that? Vs drops, vs guards, vs ultra/ling/filer. Flash was crawling all over the place. It didn't look like much was happening but Calm sure would have tried more drops/guards if he thought he could get away with it. Flash was just way too active with his SVs. The mfer dominated the skies with nothing but irradiate. That is NASTY. And calm tried to drop twice and both were horrible abortions. The first time he managed to drop in the nat and do a lil skirmishing but the second time he just had to tuck tail and run. Flash dominated that series.
Movie's micro and game sense against zergs is much better than Stork's even you have to admit that. The way he destroyed Zero's mutalisk in the second game by teching to Archnons is something Stork hasn't done yet.
Of course Stork has a better record against zergs than Movie because he's played more games, but as of right now Movie's PvZ>Stork's PvZ.
You know what Fireguy? You're absolutely right. Movie is downright revolutionary. I've never heard of Protoss countering muta with an archon before. Stork surely has not discovered this unit yet. He's still trying to surround the mutas with fast +1 speedzeals.
Stork weakest matchup has always been PvZ, he will sometimes create the right built against zergs or sometimes look totally loss. You have to watch Movie vs Zero game 2 of the OSL ro16 to watch how good he is. Movie is still an inconstant player, definitley less experienced than Stork, but even Stork admitted that Movie is one of the best PvZ players right now.
Hey Movie started the Movie built on HBR which a lot of protoss players (even Stork) have been copying.
On January 01 2010 21:44 ghosthunter wrote: [quote]
Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"
Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.
I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.
Oh, yeah yeah that was the most recent game. Even if Movie plays non-Rocklike, Shine has a great shot at the finals.
Movies PvZ is better than Storks. He is not to be underestimated, despite the first two games will be a zerg favored map. Movie is even capable of winning on HBR when he beat Zero and By.hero on HBR.
Yeah what awesome logic. Movie's PvZ > Stork's coz he beat Zero and Hero on HBR.
Stork on the other hand beat Zero and Jaedong on HBR. God, Movie's just SO much better...
In other news, just watched the series and it was quite fun but I can't shake the feeling that Flash dominated very hard throughout. Game 3 was the funnest ofc, but jesus. Flash's late game management was just too good. I salute Calm for being able to hang with Flash that long with all those beautiful SV snipes but just @_@ at the HALFMAP turtling LOL.
I don't even know how you can call it turtling at that point. Flash was literally guarding HALF a map. How do you do that? Vs drops, vs guards, vs ultra/ling/filer. Flash was crawling all over the place. It didn't look like much was happening but Calm sure would have tried more drops/guards if he thought he could get away with it. Flash was just way too active with his SVs. The mfer dominated the skies with nothing but irradiate. That is NASTY. And calm tried to drop twice and both were horrible abortions. The first time he managed to drop in the nat and do a lil skirmishing but the second time he just had to tuck tail and run. Flash dominated that series.
Movie's micro and game sense against zergs is much better than Stork's even you have to admit that. The way he destroyed Zero's mutalisk in the second game by teching to Archnons is something Stork hasn't done yet.
Of course Stork has a better record against zergs than Movie because he's played more games, but as of right now Movie's PvZ>Stork's PvZ.
You know what Fireguy? You're absolutely right. Movie is downright revolutionary. I've never heard of Protoss countering muta with an archon before. Stork surely has not discovered this unit yet. He's still trying to surround the mutas with fast +1 speedzeals.
Stork weakest matchup has always been PvZ, he will sometimes create the right built against zergs or sometimes look totally loss. You have to watch Movie vs Zero game 2 of the OSL ro16 to watch how good he is. Movie is still an inconstant player, definitley less experienced than Stork, but even Stork admitted that Movie is one of the best PvZ players right now.
Hey Movie started the Movie built on HBR which a lot of protoss players (even Stork) have been copying.
/facepalm. You have now lost any credibility you might once have had dude. Yes, a dragoon hanbang is now the "Movie build." Nobody has ever done a dragoon hanbang in PvZ before Movie lol. Same with killing mutas with archon. Movie's just inventing all this shit on his own!
I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.
Oh, yeah yeah that was the most recent game. Even if Movie plays non-Rocklike, Shine has a great shot at the finals.
Movies PvZ is better than Storks. He is not to be underestimated, despite the first two games will be a zerg favored map. Movie is even capable of winning on HBR when he beat Zero and By.hero on HBR.
Yeah what awesome logic. Movie's PvZ > Stork's coz he beat Zero and Hero on HBR.
Stork on the other hand beat Zero and Jaedong on HBR. God, Movie's just SO much better...
In other news, just watched the series and it was quite fun but I can't shake the feeling that Flash dominated very hard throughout. Game 3 was the funnest ofc, but jesus. Flash's late game management was just too good. I salute Calm for being able to hang with Flash that long with all those beautiful SV snipes but just @_@ at the HALFMAP turtling LOL.
I don't even know how you can call it turtling at that point. Flash was literally guarding HALF a map. How do you do that? Vs drops, vs guards, vs ultra/ling/filer. Flash was crawling all over the place. It didn't look like much was happening but Calm sure would have tried more drops/guards if he thought he could get away with it. Flash was just way too active with his SVs. The mfer dominated the skies with nothing but irradiate. That is NASTY. And calm tried to drop twice and both were horrible abortions. The first time he managed to drop in the nat and do a lil skirmishing but the second time he just had to tuck tail and run. Flash dominated that series.
Movie's micro and game sense against zergs is much better than Stork's even you have to admit that. The way he destroyed Zero's mutalisk in the second game by teching to Archnons is something Stork hasn't done yet.
Of course Stork has a better record against zergs than Movie because he's played more games, but as of right now Movie's PvZ>Stork's PvZ.
You know what Fireguy? You're absolutely right. Movie is downright revolutionary. I've never heard of Protoss countering muta with an archon before. Stork surely has not discovered this unit yet. He's still trying to surround the mutas with fast +1 speedzeals.
Stork weakest matchup has always been PvZ, he will sometimes create the right built against zergs or sometimes look totally loss. You have to watch Movie vs Zero game 2 of the OSL ro16 to watch how good he is. Movie is still an inconstant player, definitley less experienced than Stork, but even Stork admitted that Movie is one of the best PvZ players right now.
Hey Movie started the Movie built on HBR which a lot of protoss players (even Stork) have been copying.
/facepalm. You have now lost any credibility you might once have had dude. Yes, a dragoon hanbang is now the "Movie build." Nobody has ever done a dragoon hanbang in PvZ before Movie lol. Same with killing mutas with archon. Movie's just inventing all this shit on his own!
I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.
Oh, yeah yeah that was the most recent game. Even if Movie plays non-Rocklike, Shine has a great shot at the finals.
Movies PvZ is better than Storks. He is not to be underestimated, despite the first two games will be a zerg favored map. Movie is even capable of winning on HBR when he beat Zero and By.hero on HBR.
Yeah what awesome logic. Movie's PvZ > Stork's coz he beat Zero and Hero on HBR.
Stork on the other hand beat Zero and Jaedong on HBR. God, Movie's just SO much better...
In other news, just watched the series and it was quite fun but I can't shake the feeling that Flash dominated very hard throughout. Game 3 was the funnest ofc, but jesus. Flash's late game management was just too good. I salute Calm for being able to hang with Flash that long with all those beautiful SV snipes but just @_@ at the HALFMAP turtling LOL.
I don't even know how you can call it turtling at that point. Flash was literally guarding HALF a map. How do you do that? Vs drops, vs guards, vs ultra/ling/filer. Flash was crawling all over the place. It didn't look like much was happening but Calm sure would have tried more drops/guards if he thought he could get away with it. Flash was just way too active with his SVs. The mfer dominated the skies with nothing but irradiate. That is NASTY. And calm tried to drop twice and both were horrible abortions. The first time he managed to drop in the nat and do a lil skirmishing but the second time he just had to tuck tail and run. Flash dominated that series.
Movie's micro and game sense against zergs is much better than Stork's even you have to admit that. The way he destroyed Zero's mutalisk in the second game by teching to Archnons is something Stork hasn't done yet.
Of course Stork has a better record against zergs than Movie because he's played more games, but as of right now Movie's PvZ>Stork's PvZ.
You know what Fireguy? You're absolutely right. Movie is downright revolutionary. I've never heard of Protoss countering muta with an archon before. Stork surely has not discovered this unit yet. He's still trying to surround the mutas with fast +1 speedzeals.
Stork weakest matchup has always been PvZ, he will sometimes create the right built against zergs or sometimes look totally loss. You have to watch Movie vs Zero game 2 of the OSL ro16 to watch how good he is. Movie is still an inconstant player, definitley less experienced than Stork, but even Stork admitted that Movie is one of the best PvZ players right now.
Hey Movie started the Movie built on HBR which a lot of protoss players (even Stork) have been copying.
/facepalm. You have now lost any credibility you might once have had dude. Yes, a dragoon hanbang is now the "Movie build." Nobody has ever done a dragoon hanbang in PvZ before Movie lol. Same with killing mutas with archon. Movie's just inventing all this shit on his own!
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