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[OSL] EVER OSL Semi-Final A: Flash vs Calm - Page 117

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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 01 2010 12:29 GMT
#2321
On January 01 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:24 JohnColtrane wrote:
just got in, were the games worth watching or a straight roll over?


Only watch game 3, that game alone tells you how the series went.

Even though the games alone they weren't all epic, I think watching the whole series illustrates the struggle between the two better than just watching set 3, though it was obvious + Show Spoiler +
that the series was essentially decided by set 3
.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
January 01 2010 12:29 GMT
#2322
On January 01 2010 21:25 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:20 darktreb wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:16 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:11 BanZu wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:05 Pokeball wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:58 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Maybe people will respect Calm a little more.

But it's not appropriate calling this the "real" finals, though. That's what some of you said about JD vs Flash: a fucking quarterfinal match as "the" finals! Damn elitists. Give Shine/Movie their due.


I keep getting the feeling that he'll just revert back to the Clam that played against Fantasy and Light.

This series has kind of confirmed my suspicions that he's like Fantasy - a player that requires a lot of prep time to put out amazingly good all round results.

Flash probably practices more than anyone. All great players prepare for hours. What a stupid thing to say.

He's referring to Clam....

That's my point, dude. They all practice hard. To say that they're not good without practice is meaningless because they all prepare really hard for their games!

But there is no question he can win without preparation. Proleague alone tells us that.

Basing your theory on his win over bonjwa s2?



I don't mean ZERO preparation (though that may have been the case against s2 haha)

But you can't win as many games as Flash has (as well as as many ace matches as he has) without being able to go off a little less preparation

That's why Bisu/JD/Flash are looked at as the premier talents. PL win totals are where the pure talents shine.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 01 2010 12:31 GMT
#2323
On January 01 2010 21:29 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:24 JohnColtrane wrote:
just got in, were the games worth watching or a straight roll over?


Only watch game 3, that game alone tells you how the series went.

Even though the games alone they weren't all epic, I think watching the whole series illustrates the struggle between the two better than just watching set 3, though it was obvious + Show Spoiler +
that the series was essentially decided by set 3
.


Yeah it was a back and fourth game, I think Flash could of ended the game earlier had he attacked Calm's expansions. But Calm GG'ed one Flash was about the destroy the 12 o'clock expansion with a huge force.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 01 2010 12:31 GMT
#2324
On January 01 2010 21:25 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:20 darktreb wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:16 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:11 BanZu wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:05 Pokeball wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:58 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Maybe people will respect Calm a little more.

But it's not appropriate calling this the "real" finals, though. That's what some of you said about JD vs Flash: a fucking quarterfinal match as "the" finals! Damn elitists. Give Shine/Movie their due.


I keep getting the feeling that he'll just revert back to the Clam that played against Fantasy and Light.

This series has kind of confirmed my suspicions that he's like Fantasy - a player that requires a lot of prep time to put out amazingly good all round results.

Flash probably practices more than anyone. All great players prepare for hours. What a stupid thing to say.

He's referring to Clam....

That's my point, dude. They all practice hard. To say that they're not good without practice is meaningless because they all prepare really hard for their games!

But there is no question he can win without preparation. Proleague alone tells us that.

Basing your theory on his win over bonjwa s2?



s2 is a secret bonjwa

He knew that Flash knew that he knew that Flash was going 2rax because he knew that Flash knew that he saw that Flash had way too many marines sniping his ovie.

Then he thought that Flash thought that s2 thought that he would have to build a bunch of sunkens, but he didn't count on Flash counting on s2 thinking that Flash thought he could sunken break instead of thinking that he thought he should just pretend sunken break. If Flash had just thought that s2 thought that Flash thought that s2 thought that he would definitely have to build tons of sunks, then s2 would have won ezpz.

It was the game of 2009 easily, the mental sparks were flying everywhere until Flash just marched in and ended the game in 5 minutes,
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 01 2010 12:31 GMT
#2325
On January 01 2010 21:29 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:25 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:20 darktreb wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:16 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:11 BanZu wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:05 Pokeball wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:58 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Maybe people will respect Calm a little more.

But it's not appropriate calling this the "real" finals, though. That's what some of you said about JD vs Flash: a fucking quarterfinal match as "the" finals! Damn elitists. Give Shine/Movie their due.


I keep getting the feeling that he'll just revert back to the Clam that played against Fantasy and Light.

This series has kind of confirmed my suspicions that he's like Fantasy - a player that requires a lot of prep time to put out amazingly good all round results.

Flash probably practices more than anyone. All great players prepare for hours. What a stupid thing to say.

He's referring to Clam....

That's my point, dude. They all practice hard. To say that they're not good without practice is meaningless because they all prepare really hard for their games!

But there is no question he can win without preparation. Proleague alone tells us that.

Basing your theory on his win over bonjwa s2?



I don't mean ZERO preparation (though that may have been the case against s2 haha)

But you can't win as many games as Flash has (as well as as many ace matches as he has) without being able to go off a little less preparation

That's why Bisu/JD/Flash are looked at as the premier talents. PL win totals are where the pure talents shine.


Well Winner's League. You cant do all kills with preparation only, since you cant prepare for seven maps against a whole team. Talent shows in Winner's League.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 01 2010 12:33 GMT
#2326
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET
dats racist
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 12:35:17
January 01 2010 12:34 GMT
#2327
On January 01 2010 21:29 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:25 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:20 darktreb wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:16 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:11 BanZu wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:05 Pokeball wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:58 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Maybe people will respect Calm a little more.

But it's not appropriate calling this the "real" finals, though. That's what some of you said about JD vs Flash: a fucking quarterfinal match as "the" finals! Damn elitists. Give Shine/Movie their due.


I keep getting the feeling that he'll just revert back to the Clam that played against Fantasy and Light.

This series has kind of confirmed my suspicions that he's like Fantasy - a player that requires a lot of prep time to put out amazingly good all round results.

Flash probably practices more than anyone. All great players prepare for hours. What a stupid thing to say.

He's referring to Clam....

That's my point, dude. They all practice hard. To say that they're not good without practice is meaningless because they all prepare really hard for their games!

But there is no question he can win without preparation. Proleague alone tells us that.

Basing your theory on his win over bonjwa s2?



I don't mean ZERO preparation (though that may have been the case against s2 haha)

But you can't win as many games as Flash has (as well as as many ace matches as he has) without being able to go off a little less preparation

That's why Bisu/JD/Flash are looked at as the premier talents. PL win totals are where the pure talents shine.

Actually, I at least agree with you about fantasy. I'm not taking credit for this observation, but I can't help but notice that when fantasy's game-plan is disrupted he completely falls apart (see vs Shine, Jaedong... any game he loses to zerg, really). Bisu/JD/Flash almost play better on their toes than when they prepare, and that's the pure talent hoo-hah you're talking about.

I'd like to think that Calm is good at that, too, better than fantasy. Although it would help my hoping if he didn't keep losing to fantasy.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
January 01 2010 12:34 GMT
#2328
On January 01 2010 21:33 MrHoon wrote:
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET


Oh god I can't wait.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
January 01 2010 12:35 GMT
#2329
On January 01 2010 21:33 MrHoon wrote:
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET


<3

You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 01 2010 12:35 GMT
#2330
On January 01 2010 21:35 KristianJS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:33 MrHoon wrote:
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET


<3


<33
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 01 2010 12:35 GMT
#2331
On January 01 2010 21:33 MrHoon wrote:
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET

Gogogogogogogo, do it as fast as possible!

Tanks in advance!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 01 2010 12:36 GMT
#2332
On January 01 2010 21:34 Orbifold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:33 MrHoon wrote:
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET


Oh god I can't wait.

If he talks about maps or turrets, I swear to God...
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
January 01 2010 12:36 GMT
#2333
On January 01 2010 21:34 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:29 darktreb wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:25 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:20 darktreb wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:16 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:11 BanZu wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:05 Pokeball wrote:
On January 01 2010 20:58 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Maybe people will respect Calm a little more.

But it's not appropriate calling this the "real" finals, though. That's what some of you said about JD vs Flash: a fucking quarterfinal match as "the" finals! Damn elitists. Give Shine/Movie their due.


I keep getting the feeling that he'll just revert back to the Clam that played against Fantasy and Light.

This series has kind of confirmed my suspicions that he's like Fantasy - a player that requires a lot of prep time to put out amazingly good all round results.

Flash probably practices more than anyone. All great players prepare for hours. What a stupid thing to say.

He's referring to Clam....

That's my point, dude. They all practice hard. To say that they're not good without practice is meaningless because they all prepare really hard for their games!

But there is no question he can win without preparation. Proleague alone tells us that.

Basing your theory on his win over bonjwa s2?



I don't mean ZERO preparation (though that may have been the case against s2 haha)

But you can't win as many games as Flash has (as well as as many ace matches as he has) without being able to go off a little less preparation

That's why Bisu/JD/Flash are looked at as the premier talents. PL win totals are where the pure talents shine.

You're not wrong there.

Actually, I at least agree with you about fantasy. I'm not taking credit for this observation, but I can't help but notice that when fantasy's game-plan is disrupted he completely falls apart (see vs Shine, Jaedong... any game he loses to zerg, really). Bisu/JD/Flash almost play better on their toes than when they prepare, and that's the pure talent hoo-hah you're talking about.

I'd like to think that Calm is good at that, too, better than fantasy. Although it would help my hoping if he didn't keep losing to fantasy.


There's definitely still hope for Calm and Fantasy.

I mean ... they've made 3 finals and won 1 (and the 2 Fantasy lost he went to game 5). All this while Flash couldn't even make the BO5 stage of a league.

Even if they can't be like Bisu/JD/Flash it's not really that big of a deal. It's a viable way to be a player.

But yeah it feels good to see Flash validated again. I never thought it would take this long to make another final.
Poochi
Profile Joined May 2008
United States117 Posts
January 01 2010 12:38 GMT
#2334
On January 01 2010 21:35 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:33 MrHoon wrote:
Interview is up

IM GONA DO EET

Gogogogogogogo, do it as fast as possible!

Tanks in advance!


Mass T(h)anks in coming.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 01 2010 12:43 GMT
#2335
Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.
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ghosthunter
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 12:45:54
January 01 2010 12:44 GMT
#2336
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 01 2010 12:46 GMT
#2337
On January 01 2010 21:44 ghosthunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.


Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"

Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.



I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol
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ghosthunter
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
January 01 2010 12:47 GMT
#2338
On January 01 2010 21:46 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:44 ghosthunter wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.


Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"

Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.



I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol


Yeah, it's really late. I can't remember, but I think I remember movie losing recently >.<
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 01 2010 12:47 GMT
#2339
On January 01 2010 21:46 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:44 ghosthunter wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.


Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"

Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.



I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol

That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.
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ghosthunter
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 12:50:29
January 01 2010 12:49 GMT
#2340
On January 01 2010 21:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 21:46 Xiphos wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:44 ghosthunter wrote:
On January 01 2010 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Flash versus Movie finals would be great. Movie is a creative and interesting player and Flash's TvP is shaky enough that Movie might actually have a chance.


Movie's performance against Kwanro yesterday brings up the question of how he's pretty erratic. I believe the term is "Is Movie playing or is Rock playing?"

Hopefully Movie will play throughout this thing, and we'll see some good games.



I'm pretty sure you meant Light instead of Movie. lol

That was the game, yes, but I think he's talking about that JD vs Movie game where movie just got rolled. Because Movie and Kwanro have only played once, and that was in November.


Did he get rolled by M18M in the recent CJ Entus vs Samsung match? I was the post for that one, maybe that's what I'm remembering.

Or perhaps it was the Jaedong match the day before I'm thinking of. All I remember was him getting stomped on bad.
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