[I] Valkyrie Use, TvZ. - Page 10

On October 08 2008 01:07 Empyrean wrote:


OMG Hi GroT I miss you! Ahahahahahahha you probably don't remember me :D

On October 08 2008 02:28 GroT wrote:

I feel like i'm a guy appearing in a vision and i'm supposed to say something impressive before my time is up.. with that in mind, empyrean:

Your heart is free... have the courage to follow it.

On October 08 2008 01:42 neliel wrote:
Tried this vs a C+ Zerg and well, it doesnt work at all :p.

On October 08 2008 03:28 Februarys wrote:


that would be my thoughts exactly

a good zerg would simply combine plague + hydras to wipe off valkiryes from the map
sure mass tanks > mass hydras but heard of dark swarm + lings? they totally rape tanks and mm can't do crap under swarm

its not very hard to have few hydras / scourges / lings / defiler..add ultra to that and terran can't do anything..the zerg eventually goes hive anyway...the only viable solution for this build is if the terran can somehow mass tanks, m&m, harrass a whole lot of ovies, all before hive tech kicks in..which is unlikely..it takes a lot of time to build that many tanks...

the thing I thought was weak about this build was, if you invest +1 on air attack, you will have slower upgrades for your others. Since you chose to go metal + partial m&m to support your air strategy, it will be even harder to upgrade everything on time

Other than that, I think this build will definately catch lots of lower level zergs off-guard, most will simply mass hydras as a reaction to simply get raped by mass tanks. Defiler is the key counter I believe. Plague is a wonder, simply because it is so effective verse metal. The one thing you should always keep in mind is that metal army takes much longer to reproduce than bionic army..which is what zergs should try to aim for..to counter the metal army with plague and go for a timing push right when the terran is re-making

On October 08 2008 06:33 never_Nal wrote:
XD, good job, though i think works alot betetr if you go into a mass bc or mech build

On October 08 2008 06:33 never_Nal wrote:
XD, good job, though i think works alot betetr if you go into a mass bc or mech build

On October 08 2008 08:19 Zzoram wrote:
I think the whole point of this is to cripple the Zerg before Hive tech, and by constantly keeping the OL count down, it prevents the Zerg from macroing up an army. The result is that you can steamroll them with MnM you've been piling up while OL hunting.

On October 08 2008 09:02 Narrator wrote:
Damn, the huge groups of valks shooting missiles looks so sexy.

On October 08 2008 09:44 VIB wrote:
So many people comparing this to corsairs. Wraiths are much better for that. Valks are too slow to hunt overlords.

Aren't the whole point of going fast valks only, and absolutely only, to counter 3 hatch muta which has been present in about 90% of korean zvt for some time? If you can have one or two valks with your mnm ball when mutas come you'd do 10x better off. So on that phase when mutas are harassing to keep terran at base, you could scare them off with mnm + valk and have more freedom to move out of base sooner and counter.

But if you scout that he is going anything other than mutas, you just change tech go anything else other valks (you'll proly be building a starport when you find out, so you could change to either double cloak wraith or simply sk terran and you wouldn't be too far behind).

Isn't that the whole point of fast valks?
If scout = 3 hatch mutas then go valks
else go vessels

On October 08 2008 09:46 d(O.o)a wrote:



Why are there so many idiots posting in this thread? READ THE OP. If you haven't even read what he's said or watched the videos than you really shouldn't post. GTFO.

On October 08 2008 09:54 Quesadilla wrote:
Personally I think some good thought and practice should go into this... I think BoxeR had something good in mind, but it just wasn't perfected enough for success in this tournament. Props to him for pioneering something unknown.

On October 08 2008 09:56 VIB wrote:
What makes you think that? I watched those vods live, read the op and 1/3 of the replies in this thread. Which is exactly why I'm wondering why there are so many people talking about using valks to kill overlords, when it seems to me that 2 port wraith would be much more effective for. Contrary to what most people here seem to think.

Boxer did exactly what I said. Used valks with mnm ball to counter mutas in game 1, then switch to vessels when he scouts hydra den in game 2.
(ps.: he lost a game going valks again on last sunday, which I think was - partly - because he took too long to realize it wasn't mutas / change tech)