! [G] Forge FE wall-ins on popular maps. - Page 9

humblegar

Norway883 Posts

December 16 2008 22:34 GMT

#161

Edit: decided to redo all on Andromeda, didn't quite get the suggestions posted by Geno and Valtyr.

All solutions stop lings when probes are placed as shown (tested). Cannons (usually both) cover pylon, gateway, forge, nexus, gass, blocking probes and mostly minerals and ramp.

Andromeda
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Kind of weird, but ok if you watch the inside of the gateway

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Watch the ramp (both cover some of it though)

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I think Free does it like this, notice the probe by the gass, he only used 1 probe at the ramp to let cannons get some shots at lings running for the main though.

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Looks easy! (famous last words)

Nytefish

United Kingdom4282 Posts

December 18 2008 21:24 GMT

#162

Well I'm too tired to play right now so I went through the thread and sorted/collected these wall-ins.

So I'll start filling in gaps now.

Colosseum II

This one is very easy, the forge and gateway placement is fixed but you can move the pylon/cannons however you like.
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Destination 1.1

I saw a lot of variations for this one. Some are aimed more towards defending against hydras rather than run-bys so the pylon/initial cannon is further out. I picked the ones I thought looked neatest.

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You can put the pylon or cannon where the probes are but you'll have to kill something to get units out.

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Rush Hour 3

I would feel very uneasy FE'ing on this map, but it should be possible. These probably aren't optimal since I didn't use progamer's placements except at 7 o'clock.

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Goon is just there to show you can get those clunky things out.

Not sure about these Othello ones:
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Gnojfatelob

Belgium216 Posts

December 30 2008 14:39 GMT

#163

Thought i update this one, since i dont think the medusa ones are optimal and seeing that it's motw on iccup.

Medusa 1.1

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SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

December 30 2008 14:46 GMT

#164

I tried doing Yellow, the map by NastyMarine and edited by NightmareJoo, but there are some nats that have 2 ways to wall in.

1. Wallin infront of the Nexus.
2. Wallin behind the Nexus but the cannons are covering the mineral lines and it uses the Nexus as part of the wall.

Gnojfatelob

Belgium216 Posts

December 30 2008 15:59 GMT

#165

I gave yellow a try, seems the 11 O'Clock you need three probes, all other positions it can be done with 2 probes to block. Shouldn't matter to much in a game though.

Yellow

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vAltyR

United States581 Posts

December 30 2008 17:21 GMT

#166

Gnojfatelob, did you check to see where lings can get through on your Medusa? I think there's a few holes, I'll test them out really quickly and let you know

EDIT: Tested, and I like your 7 and 11 better. Both of mine needed an extra probe to plug a hole, whereas yours didn't need it. My only suggestion there is at 7, I would move the pylon left 1 matrix and up two matrices, however where you have it works just as well.

Our setups at 3 are almost exactly the same.

Your forge is shifted right one matrix and your gateway is shifted left two matrices from my placements. In terms of blocking zerglings, they'll do the exact same thing, but I like my setup with having one of the cannons forward a bit more relative to the gateway.

I'll update my previous post with your 7 and 11 setups (giving you credit of course) since they are better. I guess it goes to show that even the progamers make mistakes (since I took my medusa setups directly from the progamers).

Gnojfatelob

Belgium216 Posts

December 30 2008 17:34 GMT

#167

On December 31 2008 02:21 vAltyR wrote:
Gnojfatelob, did you check to see where lings can get through on your Medusa? I think there's a few holes, I'll test them out really quickly and let you know.

Nono, no holes, except ofc the probes, but you gotta micro those a little. The're not my designs, i took them from bisu.

vAltyR

United States581 Posts

December 30 2008 17:49 GMT

#168

On December 31 2008 02:34 Gnojfatelob wrote:

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Nono, no holes, except ofc the probes, but you gotta micro those a little. The're not my designs, i took them from bisu.

Aahhhh, that explains it. I got my 3 from bisu, which is why it's so similar.

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

December 31 2008 04:11 GMT

#169

dude, at the 1 position at yellow, the lings can pass between the stone tower and the gateway, that was what pissed me off when I was trying it. Good job on the 7 though, I had a different version of your wall.haha.

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

December 31 2008 04:15 GMT

#170

and I think the one at 3, the last time I checked, you need 2 probes to block the space between the gateway and the assimilator.

Abydos1

United States832 Posts

January 26 2009 04:04 GMT

#171

Here are my attempts at Othello since I can't view Nony's album right now.

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Red lines are notable places where lings can pass. I generally tried to increase the distance lings would have to run and made sure cannons could cover each other, the ramp, and the back of the minerals.

At the 1 o'clock while only zealots can pass through you can destroy the neutral building to facilitate movement once the ling threat is over. Note that at the 1 o'clock position lings can hit the far corner of the gateway without being in cannon range; the gateway may be able to be moved up one but it might make it harder to block with probes.

Centric

United States1989 Posts

January 26 2009 05:42 GMT

#172

On January 26 2009 13:04 Abydos1 wrote:
Here are my attempts at Othello since I can't view Nony's album right now.

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NonY's are a lot better than this. Let me see if I can duplicate them.

EDIT: Here they are. I'm a little iffy about 7 o'clock, but I'm pretty sure the rest of them are NonY's.

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10 o'clock
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Centric

United States1989 Posts

January 26 2009 06:06 GMT

#173

Actually upon looking at 7 o'clock I think the cannon on the right should be directly to the right of the pylon.

vAltyR

United States581 Posts

February 11 2009 20:01 GMT

#174

MrHoon was so kind as to do a translation on the proper wall-ins on Tears of the Moon. Here's the article.

Yaqoob

Canada3341 Posts

February 11 2009 21:21 GMT

#175

I actually saved Nony's pictures of his wall-ins on Othello a while back so here they are:

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Zerum

Sweden348 Posts

February 20 2009 00:15 GMT

#176

On November 17 2008 18:34 vAltyR wrote:
Anyways, since Athena II is MOTW this week, I figured I'd go ahead and work that one out. Let me know if you see any problems with these.

Athena II
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I was wondering about thes walls if they are realy the best way to wall on that map as it seams like they got huge openings and make it veary easy to do a run by or should I just block my ramp and let the canons take car of the zerglings? I'm realy noob so I don't realy know trying to learn how to do a fe build better...

ccou

United States681 Posts

March 21 2009 21:52 GMT

#177

My group has been playing Spinel Valley quite a bit.

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I liked these simcities because:
1) lots of room for your army before pushing out and army doesn't have to step through probe line
2) only takes 1 probe or 2 if feeling insecure to block

Things that are less than desirable:
1)ain't too great against hydra break
2)far away from nat nexus

Any suggestions for alternate simcities would be great.

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Also, it may be a lot of work, but I'm sure the community would appreciate it if a kind-hearted mod would help update the OP to include the new simcities.