[G] Posting in Strategy does not make you better - Page 5

On February 17 2010 01:51 Misrah wrote:
This is crazy that people are just putting words into my mouth. This guide does not need novels posted as an answer.

For the last time: I never said asking for help is wrong. I also am not saying making H threads is wrong. Lastly I never said asking questions is bad.

This guide is there to try and help players craft the correct questions, so they can come to understand the problem.

Anyway this thread is getting crAzyyyyyyyyyyy

On February 16 2010 14:23 huameng wrote:
Totally disagree with this "guide". For what other game, sport, activity, is not asking for help the best way to learn?

On February 17 2010 02:49 PJA wrote:


Practically all of them?

Asking for advice every now and then is a useful way to learn in any activity, but practicing relentlessly is a million times more productive than asking for advice. In chess or go, you will get better by reading books about strategy, but you'll improve more quickly by just doing tons of tactics problems in chess, or tesuji and tsumego problems in go. In rock climbing, you don't get better reading online forums or listening to other people talking about how to do something, you just climb more. Maybe you watch another stronger climber do the route/bouldering problem you're trying to do to figure out a better sequence, but that's only maybe 5% of how you spend your time improving. And in starcraft, I was never that good, but I got to C+ on PGT and ICCUP, which is better than most of the people who post in the strategy forum, but I never read the strategy forums much. I did, however, watch a good amount of replays of top zerg players.

In fact, watching top professionals in whatever activity you want to get better in is almost always a better way to improve than asking for advice. Top GMs in chess, and top professionals in go always talk about studying games of the top players as the best way to improve. In go, especially, top players claim to have studied every recorded game of Shusaku, and to a lesser extent, Go Seigen.

On February 17 2010 01:51 Misrah wrote:
This is crazy that people are just putting words into my mouth. This guide does not need novels posted as an answer.

For the last time: I never said asking for help is wrong. I also am not saying making H threads is wrong. Lastly I never said asking questions is bad.

This guide is there to try and help players craft the correct questions, so they can come to understand the problem.

Anyway this thread is getting crAzyyyyyyyyyyy

On February 17 2010 06:05 pyrogenetix wrote:
LONG OVERDUE THREAD, THANK YOU MISRAH

so many new to the game go on iccup, get their faces smashed into a brick wall by people who have just outplayed them in every god damn aspect of the game, then come here with their 130 apm replays and ask for help.

you just got outplayed. GO PLAY MORE. there's nothing really to talk about. you've not been building workers, not macroed, not microing, not expanding, wrong timings, forgot upgrades... everything.

stop reading and play more.

On February 17 2010 06:05 pyrogenetix wrote:
LONG OVERDUE THREAD, THANK YOU MISRAH

so many new to the game go on iccup, get their faces smashed into a brick wall by people who have just outplayed them in every god damn aspect of the game, then come here with their 130 apm replays and ask for help.

you just got outplayed. GO PLAY MORE. there's nothing really to talk about. you've not been building workers, not macroed, not microing, not expanding, wrong timings, forgot upgrades... everything.

stop reading and play more.

On February 17 2010 06:05 pyrogenetix wrote:
LONG OVERDUE THREAD, THANK YOU MISRAH

so many new to the game go on iccup, get their faces smashed into a brick wall by people who have just outplayed them in every god damn aspect of the game, then come here with their 130 apm replays and ask for help.

you just got outplayed. GO PLAY MORE. there's nothing really to talk about. you've not been building workers, not macroed, not microing, not expanding, wrong timings, forgot upgrades... everything.

stop reading and play more.

On February 16 2010 15:52 nujgnoy wrote:


No. Not a chance. It took an experienced player a while to notice this problem, then a new player certainly would NOT have noticed it, because it is one of those problems that are deceptive; you THINK you're doing it right, and the liquipedia SEEMS to back up your BO, but you're really doing it wrong. My last post should explain this better with the linked thread with replay.

On February 17 2010 06:27 PokePill wrote:


If he stopped copying build orders off a website and actually put some effort (and by effort I mean put 3 seconds of thought into what was happening on his screen) into understanding what he was doing, he would see doing that had him not mining for several seconds twice, which = "well golly geepers maybe im doing something wrong". This should be common sense to even a new player, making posts and constantly asking for help and copying build orders has probably set him back if anything, he probably has no fundamental understanding of what he's doing and is just pressing buttons.