EPTOn April 06 2010 06:19 Saracen wrote:
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to both you and your sig
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Another high-quality post.
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
Another high-quality post. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
Rofl maybe you just don't get it. Btw your posts are very high quality as well. I applaud you. | ||
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
Ad hominem at its finest. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
Maybe you'd like to address my previous two posts before posting this garbage. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 06 2010 06:11 BruceLee6783 wrote: Then please explain why current top rated players want old schoolers to coach them. Tell me what having a coach is good for if current top players understand more than their coach does. Do you believe the coaches exist only to offer encouragement? Management. There are very, very few coaches that have ever contributed to the advancement of strategy more than the actual players. A lot of the strategical minds that players consult for advice are other players. I'm sorry, but iloveoov and Kingdom just by themselves aren't enough to support your ideas as we can all easily just pull out the countless interviews done by game winners where they cite other players like 98% of the time. | ||
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
Misrah is/was a guy who made some weeks/months ago daily blogs/posts how imba everything is and on iccup he told me during a ladder game that terrans need no skill to win a midgame TvZ, after that game i tried to ignore his posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=101498 wont forget this blog because he want able to accept that a proxy rax before depot is a counter to a 12 hatch. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
"you are conceding the fact that you are too stupid to understand why you lost." "I hope that it washes away your lazy and impulsive nature" Really. No one wants to read a "guide" that insults there intelligence. Also to top it off you your self posted in the strategy guide. Asking things about why you didn't win? That kills me. Now do I have permission to call you a lazy impulsive person who was too stupid to understand why he lost? I understand where you coming from with your post but no need to insult people via forum. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:58 BruceLee6783 wrote: Boxer is an actual player. That is true. Boxer is an actual player. By the way, have you ever wondered why standard play is standard? | ||
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MagicARide
Canada83 Posts
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
discussing strategies is important. however, only when players are playing with equal or close to equal mechanics. like koreans progamers, you can talk about strategical errors like rather than adding more gates, you should have expanded. rather than getting lurker tech you should have switch to mutas. or how to adjust to certain things in the game but what I notice is 90% of the threads here are of games where people ask for help on why they lost with their 3 hatch lair 5 hatch hydra build when its done completely wrong, and they have terrible macro, etc etc. I think most of the threads on here can be summed up to "practice your build more". Most of the problems are early/mid game. This reminds me of watching Old Boy when someone on KT said "anyone can play early game well, its about their decisions in the late game". but most of the people don't even play early game well so when they lose, its not "why doesn't my strategy work" its really just "I need to play faster". | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 06 2010 07:58 BruceLee6783 wrote: Boxer is an actual player. He is also now a completely irrelevant player amongst the competition and strategical development. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
Misrah was just saying skill comes from playing games, not from explaining how to play BW. You can't speculate on which progamers know the most because we've never been in one of their houses. Chances are that they're all fucking experts at this game b/c they have to play it in front of an audience. | ||
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
On April 06 2010 10:01 koreasilver wrote: He is also now a completely irrelevant player amongst the competition and strategical development. Doesn't keep him from providing insight. People took what he did and improved on SOME of it, but there are still things that go unseen by others. His mindset, attitude, and approach to the game. Something you don't see in many players.  I just fail to see any innovation from todays players. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 06 2010 10:46 BruceLee6783 wrote: I just fail to see any innovation from todays players. See, now saying this in the light of the slew of innovations that Flash has brought to TvP and TvZ in the past few months is why I am not taking you seriously. | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
On April 06 2010 11:02 BruceLee6783 wrote: They are still replicating his old strats, no matter how many layers of polishing they may have added Oh really? Like Valkonic? Like actually pressuring muta openings instead of just turtling. Like economic optimization? Like 3 hatch muta threat while powering drones? Prove it or quit the silliness. Boxer isn't even in the same galaxy as oov and Savior in terms of quality/quantity of innovation and influence, and Flash is not far behind. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On April 06 2010 11:02 BruceLee6783 wrote: They are still replicating his old strats, no matter how many layers of polishing they may have added What are you expecting, a new unit to be invented? If you want to see innovation in current starcraft, you just have to open your eyes. On-topic, I really like Misrah's OP! It's not "don't ask for help", it's "don't ask for help until you've thought it through yourself", which is the absolute best way to improve. Practice, reflect, discuss --- if you skip the "reflect" step you're missing out. On April 06 2010 12:31 Ver wrote: Boxer isn't even in the same galaxy as oov and Savior in terms of quality/quantity of innovation and influence, and Flash is not far behind. That's a bit strong, no? Mind games and micro have their honorable place in starcraft, and Boxer basically wrote the book on those. (Also, he's the first person I saw use any kind of Valkonic build, although of course it was off one base --- against Killer in one of the GOM tournaments. I think Fantasy's first televised usage of valkyries came shortly after that. I just mention it because you included Valkonic on your list.) | ||
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