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watch this.... Its blows me away, the people that i am forced to play with, on maps that are as stupid as all hell. See- tau and HB.
so lets begin:
My first game on tau- and i am playing a protoss player. So i send a drone out at 11 to scout, and proceed to 12 hatch. Now i place a drone at my choke to make sure that i can not be pyloned in. So all is well- his scouting probe is chilling inside of my base, when i see from one of my scouting lords- another probe. At this point, i know something is going down- and begin to race my drones to my choke. Now my 11 scout drone is completely on the other side of the map- and slowly returning home at this point.
To my dismay- the scout probe and the other probe are able to lay a pylon some how when my drone is there- effectivly trapping me. My only hope now, is my 11 scout drone- who is still running back to base.
Sadly the fucktard of a P player puts up 2 cannons, and my 1 single drone cannot handle it. GG and FML
Second game: HB ridge against T.
I 12 hatch again, send a drone scout at 11- and place a drone in my choke in case of depot. all is well- untill i find a proxy 9 rax in the map on HB. so i rally all of my drones exept for three- and begin the bunker war. I need to grab many more drones than usual however- because i cannot let an scv block my choke with a depot, stop marines, and stop that bunker. So at this point in the game- i have 12 drones, and all but three are now running around the map trying to kill rines.
Lucky for me- this fucker brings most of his scv's out and begins to chase my drones around with his scv/marine combo. I lose all but 2- and with my inital 12 lings- i find that he has walled off with his rax and a factory. I cannot break the wall down considering the fact he had 4 scv's repairing it- and before long a vulture was out.
Back at home, i was mining off of minimal drones- i place a sunken before 16 supply and then start getting my third hath before gas. I block his vult- but then find that he was wraiths killing my lords. My spire has not even started yet so gg once again- to fucktards.
I am done with this game- it sickens me that no one plays straight up- but instead hides around fucking map bullshit. the motw set is retarded, and i cannot believe that anyone thinks having a tight choke from the natural to main is a good idea at all. zerg always has to be extra defensive, and i am done with it.
Maybe i will play when the maps go towards something resembling normalcy but for now fuck it.
I find it funny that people complain about zerg cheese. Zerg can't cheese. they can't do shit- if you fail to any zerg sneak strategy then you deserved it. Zerg doesn't have any proxy this, or proxy that- so if you play P or T and you have done what i have described above to any player- i hope that you suffer in the near future.
Im going to play halo.
 
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pool first on those maps misrah!
either that or 9drone scout. You just have to assume you are getting cheesed every single game until you can prove otherwise.
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On September 07 2009 15:00 sixghost wrote:
pool first on those maps misrah!
Fuck that- then you can just wall of your nat- and do what you like. i lose economy for nothing!!!!!! woot woot!
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anyone else have some good ideas? i swear- as soon as the next motw comes out- i am going to 4 pool iccup into hell.
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you play stupid
those maps force you to pool first you idiot
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On September 07 2009 15:06 FragKrag wrote:
you play stupid
those maps force you to pool first you idiot
and that's bullshit. i should take an economic because why???? ohh wait- the map.
so 12 pool all day every day?
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hey, i play to win
if cheese = gg, cool with me ^^
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On September 07 2009 15:09 lighter wrote:
hey, i play to win
if cheese = gg, cool with me ^^
yep you don't deserve to have that zerg symbol. change it.
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hahah I think someone was talking about doing this to someone on op irc earlier today.
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i 4pool only, and got to b-
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why are you complaining about losing when you're obviously playing bad? If you keep thinking about unorthodox/aggressive play as "cheese" and that your "straight up" play is magically going to win you games just because it "should" then this shit is going to keep happening to you.
I'd suggest rather than change any strategy, build, or tactic of yours, you drastically change the way you think.
Because from all you have written, it seems you know what you need to be doing for your game, and in the games you played too, it's just that your own thinking that your "straight up play" makes you deserve to win games is holding you back.
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On September 07 2009 15:14 jodogohoo wrote:
i 4pool only, and got to b-
That's because you played foreigners only.
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i overpool every game zvt and zvp because i'm scared of them making ebay/pylon blocking my natural hatchery, i fucking hate that
oh well, that early economy hit doesn't really matter at the shitty ranks
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In the tau game, you should have used your 11 scout drone to take the 3rd main base and play standard from there
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i 4pooled on heartbreak... forgot that smart terrans will block their entrance
geegee
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Pool first you stubborn ignorant fuck. People who are better than you are telling you to, and you disagree? True sign of an idiot.
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That kind of BS cheese only started happening after I got to C- level. I subsequently switched around with D+ and C- facing 2/3 terrans cheesing (1/3 of them hastily switching to terran after I choose zerg), and 1/3 toss players doing some sort of cannon rush.
why are you complaining about losing when you're obviously playing bad? If you keep thinking about unorthodox/aggressive play as "cheese" and that your "straight up" play is magically going to win you games just because it "should" then this shit is going to keep happening to you.
And I win most straight up plays. My drones are not gosu enough to fight probes or scvs!
Oh well I suck.
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On September 07 2009 15:16 avilo wrote:
why are you complaining about losing when you're obviously playing bad? If you keep thinking about unorthodox/aggressive play as "cheese" and that your "straight up" play is magically going to win you games just because it "should" then this shit is going to keep happening to you.
I'd suggest rather than change any strategy, build, or tactic of yours, you drastically change the way you think.
Because from all you have written, it seems you know what you need to be doing for your game, and in the games you played too, it's just that your own thinking that your "straight up play" makes you deserve to win games is holding you back.
LOL hardly. i play to get better, not to win- like some people. I can tell you that with out a shadow of a doubt in a straight up game, my winrate is much much higher than if i have to deal with cheese. It's not unorthodox, and it's not aggressive. It is cheese. It is people playing to win, not to get better- and i hate it. An aggressive strat is 2 gate, sparks, 2 hatch muta. Don't try and tell me the line between cheese and aggression.
change the way i think? no i don't think so. The way the kids on the B train train in korea, it's not with cheese. in fact- if you are cheesing during a game while practicing you are thrown out of the house. Because guess what? cheese doesn't make you any better at the game. Period.
You play terran? then you wouldn't understand.
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By the way pool first ZvT isn't really good unless you commit to it (with speed), so what is more common nowadays is 9 drone scout (after you start your first overlord).
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Ugh 12 hatch vs protoss is really rough imo. They get such a fast tech it's ridiculous. I always overpool vs protoss so they have to put down cannons and slow their tech down. It's very worth it. Plus overpool is very good vs 2 gate and proxy gates (imo it's an instant win vs proxy gates) or any faggotry like that.
Vs terran just go 9 pool if you need to pool first. Either that or overpool/12 pool aren't horrible if you are doing a 2 hatch I find.
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