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why i hate iccup D rank. - Page 2

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Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
September 07 2009 06:28 GMT
#21
On September 07 2009 15:21 fanatacist wrote:
Pool first you stubborn ignorant fuck. People who are better than you are telling you to, and you disagree? True sign of an idiot.


I'm not disagreeing with anything. I am merely stating the fact that i find it rather funny that this MOTW list has multiple maps where zerg HAS to do a strat (particularly pool first) builds- for no reason other than to watch out for early game shit. I think that is ridiculous.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-07 06:32:44
September 07 2009 06:31 GMT
#22
except tau is decently balanced right
and on heartbreak tvz terran is forced to mech
means you're doing something wrong

zerg aggression = later cc or added cannons
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 07 2009 06:32 GMT
#23
Well you know how In EVERY map in EVERY MOTW Protoss have to do FE vs. Z? Yea.
Peace~
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
September 07 2009 06:33 GMT
#24
cheese is part of the game deal with it period.
oh by the way tell that to boxer or leta or any cheesy sh*t because we see cheesy play from korea too.
yes i play terran guess what i understand watch more PL your posts are pretty ignorant from people on TL on helping your play. dont like SC? dont play at all
pew pew
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 07 2009 06:35 GMT
#25
^ Work on your concept transitions bro, you just threw like 10 ideas into 2 sentences and shook it up with an egg beater.
Peace~
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
September 07 2009 06:36 GMT
#26
On September 07 2009 15:32 fanatacist wrote:
Well you know how In EVERY map in EVERY MOTW Protoss have to do FE vs. Z? Yea.


Nope. i am sure i have seen proxy gates, 2 gate, 1 gate and the like. But i could be wrong- because i suck and don't know the difference between a forge and a gate.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Cheeseball
Profile Joined February 2009
Australia208 Posts
September 07 2009 06:36 GMT
#27
One build I've seen work well on HBR is overpool, but 9 scout and mine out the backdoor minerals. You will finish mining it out JUST as your lings gets there. At D rank no one checks it
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 07 2009 06:37 GMT
#28
On September 07 2009 15:36 Misrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2009 15:32 fanatacist wrote:
Well you know how In EVERY map in EVERY MOTW Protoss have to do FE vs. Z? Yea.


Nope. i am sure i have seen proxy gates, 2 gate, 1 gate and the like. But i could be wrong- because i suck and don't know the difference between a forge and a gate.

Yes but those are all clearly inferior and never win.

Remember, accepting you have a problem is the first step to getting through it. Maybe you should watch some progames or something, there is this site... Ah fuck it, once a noob always a noob. Good luck getting out of D rank without anti-cheese game sense.
Peace~
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
September 07 2009 06:38 GMT
#29
On September 07 2009 15:33 geegee1 wrote:
cheese is part of the game deal with it period.
oh by the way tell that to boxer or leta or any cheesy sh*t because we see cheesy play from korea too.
yes i play terran guess what i understand watch more PL your posts are pretty ignorant from people on TL on helping your play. dont like SC? dont play at all



too bad boxer is accomplished and sadly- no one iccup can compare to the emperor. 2 port wraith isn't cheese- it's brute apm skill.

You don't understand the difference between unorthodox/ aggressive play, and cheese.

Boxer didn't do what he did through cheese. Not at all.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-08 19:37:40
September 07 2009 06:38 GMT
#30
LMAO

I feel your pain

I'm a zerg player who almost always 12 hatches

One of the first things I did was get a friend who is a higher rank than I am cheese me over and over again until I could block them

Trust me, you need to learn how to block cheese and the only way you can do that is to practice against it

And when you see a cheese, don't get too worked up

I used to get super pissed whenever I saw a cheese and that fucked me up bad

You play MUCH better when you are calm and confident, and that will come from practice
TL+ Member
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 07 2009 06:40 GMT
#31
On September 07 2009 15:38 frogmelter wrote:
LMAO

I feel you're pain

A promising start to a post...
On September 07 2009 15:38 frogmelter wrote:
I'm a zerg player who almost always 12 hatches

Even better...
On September 07 2009 15:38 frogmelter wrote:
One of the first things I did was get a friend who is a higher rank than I am cheese me over and over again until I could block them

Trust me, you need to learn how to block cheese and the only way you can do that is to practice against it

And when you see a cheese, don't get too worked up

I used to get super pissed whenever I saw a cheese and that fucked me up bad

You play MUCH better when you are calm and confident, and that will come from practice

Congrats you saved this post's quality.

8/10.
Peace~
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
September 07 2009 06:40 GMT
#32
On September 07 2009 15:38 Misrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2009 15:33 geegee1 wrote:
cheese is part of the game deal with it period.
oh by the way tell that to boxer or leta or any cheesy sh*t because we see cheesy play from korea too.
yes i play terran guess what i understand watch more PL your posts are pretty ignorant from people on TL on helping your play. dont like SC? dont play at all



too bad boxer is accomplished and sadly- no one iccup can compare to the emperor. 2 port wraith isn't cheese- it's brute apm skill.

You don't understand the difference between unorthodox/ aggressive play, and cheese.

Boxer didn't do what he did through cheese. Not at all.



you just called 2 port bullshit

and i dunno, i think bunker rushes and scv/rine allins are pretty cheesy.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Bearigator
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States233 Posts
September 07 2009 06:44 GMT
#33
Misrah, you have had pretty much everybody who bothered to respond to your thread call you an idiot. Haven't you figured it out by now?

You are not forced in to anything, you know that right? You want to get better? Learn to think. Your BO of choice keeps getting punished? Either scout earlier or your BO on the fly. If you want to just follow a preset plan until the game is over go play connect the dots or something because that certainly is not going to make you better at SC.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-07 06:46:05
September 07 2009 06:45 GMT
#34
On September 07 2009 15:44 Bearigator wrote:
Misrah, you have had pretty much everybody who bothered to respond to your thread call you an idiot. Haven't you figured it out by now?

You are not forced in to anything, you know that right? You want to get better? Learn to think. Your BO of choice keeps getting punished? Either scout earlier or your BO on the fly. If you want to just follow a preset plan until the game is over go play connect the dots or something because that certainly is not going to make you better at SC.

9/10 for the syntax mistake. Otherwise 100% true. Connect the dots was a good touch.
Peace~
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
September 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#35
On September 07 2009 15:18 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2009 15:14 jodogohoo wrote:
i 4pool only, and got to b-


That's because you played foreigners only.


i'm in the same timezone as korea. fuuuuck.
Swarmy
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada70 Posts
September 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#36
If you went 9 pool you would have won and your opponents would be raging in the same fashion as yourself. WHY CANT THIS ZERG JUST PLAY STANDARD 12 HATCH AND LOSE LIKE I WANT!!!!!!!!
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 07 2009 06:54 GMT
#37
On September 07 2009 15:52 madnessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2009 15:18 Camlito wrote:
On September 07 2009 15:14 jodogohoo wrote:
i 4pool only, and got to b-


That's because you played foreigners only.


i'm in the same timezone as korea. fuuuuck.

Play at night (:

I do this and it backfires, you do this and you WIN.
Peace~
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 07 2009 06:55 GMT
#38
On September 07 2009 15:21 fanatacist wrote:
Pool first you stubborn ignorant fuck. People who are better than you are telling you to, and you disagree? True sign of an idiot.

Lim Yo Hwan forever!
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-07 07:00:22
September 07 2009 06:59 GMT
#39
No need to bash him this much, its a frigging blog post

I understand your pain even though I quit Zerg long time ago. The reason why I quit Zerg was because Zerg rarely had any cheeses and always had to adapt according to your opponent, and if Z did have some, it was pretty much all-in unlike Terrans who can cheese and never get punished for it because most of their cheese is not all-in.

Your first example verses the Protoss player was kinda meaningless because it was your fault for playing a dumb map that allowed that kind of shit. (When I used to see Terrans who made Lost Temple on iccup, I would join, make fun of him for hosting the imba map, and just leave right when game started)

But I totally feel your pain of having to scout for that hidden proxy because Zerg cant proxy anything and the mere fact that you're wasting your scouting worker's time JUST to look for the non-existent proxy already creates a small disadvantage.

You just have to accept the fact that no human-made RTS game can be truly balanced. [Insert Artosis's Famous Balance Quote Here] Yes, Starcraft is a balanced piece of art but its not balanced enough (underpowered Z, overpowered T, sometimes)

Just change your race or just accept that Starcraft is the way it is and its way too late for them to tweak balance issues. But yeah, they really should have thought better than to give Toss/Terran ability to proxy, lift-off into your main type of cheese, transition from bio to mech to wraith air so easily kind of stuff

I'm blabbing on because I'm writing this at 4 am but yeah, don't play shitty maps and stick with another race. I love Zerg but I quit playing Z because I felt that Z was way too disadvantaged against some matchups (ZvT cough)
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-07 07:05:13
September 07 2009 07:04 GMT
#40
On September 07 2009 15:59 AzureEye wrote:
No need to bash him this much, its a frigging blog post

I understand your pain even though I quit Zerg long time ago. The reason why I quit Zerg was because Zerg rarely had any cheeses and always had to adapt according to your opponent, and if Z did have some, it was pretty much all-in unlike Terrans who can cheese and never get punished for it because most of their cheese is not all-in.

Your first example verses the Protoss player was kinda meaningless because it was your fault for playing a dumb map that allowed that kind of shit. (When I used to see Terrans who made Lost Temple on iccup, I would join, make fun of him for hosting the imba map, and just leave right when game started)

But I totally feel your pain of having to scout for that hidden proxy because Zerg cant proxy anything and the mere fact that you're wasting your scouting worker's time JUST to look for the non-existent proxy already creates a small disadvantage.

You just have to accept the fact that no human-made RTS game can be truly balanced. [Insert Artosis's Famous Balance Quote Here] Yes, Starcraft is a balanced piece of art but its not balanced enough (underpowered Z, overpowered T, sometimes)

Just change your race or just accept that Starcraft is the way it is and its way too late for them to tweak balance issues. But yeah, they really should have thought better than to give Toss/Terran ability to proxy, lift-off into your main type of cheese, transition from bio to mech to wraith air so easily kind of stuff

I'm blabbing on because I'm writing this at 4 am but yeah, don't play shitty maps and stick with another race. I love Zerg but I quit playing Z because I felt that Z was way too disadvantaged against some matchups (ZvT cough)

I bolded everything that is wrong or stupid in your post. Needless to say my opinion of you is rather negative right now.

-2/10
Peace~
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