EPTshit. duno man. rax float wouldnt get there in time. hm. dt should be fine, but reav? i would say.. uh. run away.. a lot. dont lose any tank or scv.. ya.! and then magically u can hold ur line and get turrets up after u got a few. well but thats still gg for toss i guess. well it could be a fair fight i guess, cuz u could like.. end up ahead, expo vs expo, which is t>p, if you play it safe and recover/minimize dmg from the drop's advantage.
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
shit. duno man. rax float wouldnt get there in time. hm. dt should be fine, but reav? i would say.. uh. run away.. a lot. dont lose any tank or scv.. ya.! and then magically u can hold ur line and get turrets up after u got a few. well but thats still gg for toss i guess. well it could be a fair fight i guess, cuz u could like.. end up ahead, expo vs expo, which is t>p, if you play it safe and recover/minimize dmg from the drop's advantage. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
if you see something other than 1 gate goon, range, then robo, dont gundam rush him. Or if you do, make sure you are defending for other things. If you see 1 gate goon, range, then robo, gundam will push him back into his main for a while, if not win the game, and you can expo easily then mass. However, if he is going reaver or dt, you dont have to rush. I dont know if you guys got the memo or not, but there is something called adaptation. You make some mines at your mins, a bunch at your ramp, get an ebay, get a few turrets, expo, then do your mass/turtle dropping garbage. Dont put all your eggs in one basket | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On November 19 2003 15:07 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Eri - Ever heard of modesty? And actually, the whole APM thing comes as a distraction to me; if I think about it in the slightest, I end up mashing keys and not thinking. Pavlovian reaction, almost. Terribly sad. The three people I have played and lost to on this forum (in this discussion at least), are HovZ (which was a game I could have won, but didn't play that well), Travis (which was back in... January, I believe), and ilnp (also in January). There are several people involved in this discussion whom I have beaten. I won't name names. Needless to say, many of you aren't even close to qualified to comment on how good or bad I am. So kindly shut up. so? | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On November 19 2003 15:33 BigBalls wrote: i really dont feel like reading through 5 pages of this stuff, so Ill just say my opinion. if you see something other than 1 gate goon, range, then robo, dont gundam rush him. Or if you do, make sure you are defending for other things. If you see 1 gate goon, range, then robo, gundam will push him back into his main for a while, if not win the game, and you can expo easily then mass. However, if he is going reaver or dt, you dont have to rush. I dont know if you guys got the memo or not, but there is something called adaptation. You make some mines at your mins, a bunch at your ramp, get an ebay, get a few turrets, expo, then do your mass/turtle dropping garbage. Dont put all your eggs in one basket P.S. I think this is the strongest build, because its possible avenues can counter effectively almost every p opening. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
They will either be massing like mofos, or they will try to expand as quickly as possible. If you go one gate, robo then reaver and notice that the terran is going somehow defensively, don't drop your reaver, just look what he is doing. If you know you can drop your reaver and not lose it, you can try it. So, if he is massing, toss usually should go three gateway and mass out too. If he expands, make a nexus in your nat, and another nexus in the island(assuming it is lotem) with your reaver and a zeal or dragoon, and outmacro him.Remember to not attack without thinking, cuz you could lose too many units and the terran would just have to unseiege all his tank and go to your main to either push or attack and rape you -_-;;. Damn, I think I have been playing to much toss(about 9000 games online -_-). gg | ||
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United States3447 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4519 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 19 2003 15:07 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Eri - Ever heard of modesty? And actually, the whole APM thing comes as a distraction to me; if I think about it in the slightest, I end up mashing keys and not thinking. Pavlovian reaction, almost. Terribly sad. The three people I have played and lost to on this forum (in this discussion at least), are HovZ (which was a game I could have won, but didn't play that well), Travis (which was back in... January, I believe), and ilnp (also in January). There are several people involved in this discussion whom I have beaten. I won't name names. Needless to say, many of you aren't even close to qualified to comment on how good or bad I am. So kindly shut up. Add me to 'have lost to people on this forum'  Btw, that game you died to reaver dt oO; | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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United States7081 Posts
Obselete Logic, Starcraft is a deep game, and It's good to have understanding of the game, but massing plus basic strategy reading knowledge > gosu strategy reading with bad massing. Hovz, Gundam is used constantly in Korea PVT, this is of course not on pro level, but on hyo- level  . I, personally, don't care whether gundam rush is bad vs some drops, but I do care what is the basic build to counter it. One gate obs can pull it off, but what is a safe build? *Please give me BO to stop Gundam dead in tracks besides a drop* I've Heard that double gate before obs works, but couldn't a T then drop Spider mines at expo, that is of course countered by putting goons at choke, but couldn't he retreat, drop mines, then build bunker and finish siege, if this is the correct course then how should you break this, drop flank? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28778 Posts
if you kill 8 scvs there's no point in dual expanding as your economy will be much better from just expanding once.. :D and obsoletelogic I honestly don't understand what about my post was "arrogant" or in any other way "not modest", or if that "ever heard of modesty" was referring to something else. I mean I can act arrogant, normally on purpose, but I can't understand why you'd say "ever heard of modesty" as a reply to my post. (my apm isn't close to 80. ) | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
keep a probe outside his base, keep 3 goons in your main for drops, and the rest outside, if you see him leave, set up a flank as fast as you can, and get the obs out quick. the obs should be finishing when he starts attacking you. you should have 8-9 goons, he should have 3 tanks 4 rines 2 vults 2 scv. if you can micro out of mines, you should stop it. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
On November 19 2003 16:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: hey freezeternal if you kill 8 scvs there's no point in dual expanding as your economy will be much better from just expanding once.. :D and obsoletelogic I honestly don't understand what about my post was "arrogant" or in any other way "not modest", or if that "ever heard of modesty" was referring to something else. I mean I can act arrogant, normally on purpose, but I can't understand why you'd say "ever heard of modesty" as a reply to my post. (my apm isn't close to 80. ) heheh..but it is fun to crush him badly with 200 units in 15 min -_-;; | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On November 19 2003 16:23 FreeZEternal wrote: heheh..but it is fun to crush him badly with 200 units in 15 min -_-;; its also fun to lose to a desperation push because you overextended yourself. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
Eri I was referring to myself. I could go and brag about the people I've beaten, say I'm good, but I don't. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
On November 19 2003 16:46 BigBalls wrote: its also fun to lose to a desperation push because you overextended yourself. Yeap..happenned to me several times...but learned from my mistakes so I know when to overextend myself or not...gg | ||
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