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Gundam Push VS Reaver and/or DT Drop - Page 9

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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28796 Posts
November 19 2003 20:59 GMT
#161
solar, mcnasty explained quite nicely I think..
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hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
November 19 2003 21:07 GMT
#162
On November 20 2003 05:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2003 04:50 ObsoleteLogic wrote:

(quoting HovZ)

I know more about BW than you could possibly fathom. The fact of the matter is, I'm not a good player. I know what to do, how to do it, but I can never actually do it myself; I get flustered and stop thinking in game.


I'm pretty sure he and many people can "fathom" your boundless BW knowledge. I don't know what "profound knowledge" you may possess, and I don't know how you could possibly be such a Brood War savant and at the same time not be a good player. It's just contradictory.

You can't separate execution from "knowing the game" because it's such a huge part of BW. We've all watched Boxer kill lurkers with marines and we know everything about it, but that doesn't mean we know how to do it. Your statement about "knowing the intricacies and timing and stuff" is just blatantly wrong. If you did you'd be a good player.

Why don't you make an RWA of one of your own replays (maybe one of the occasional good games) and share some of the profound knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would benefit, oh great professional BW coach that is OL.


I got a pretty good grasp on the game, I still suck tho.. not too hard to believe

RWAs? ---v
Diablo3 ID: Exalted#1710 -------R.I.P. http://hasuwar.isgsa.org. Much love to Toptalent
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
November 19 2003 21:10 GMT
#163
ok, lemme re-search the 8 pages of posts again and look for this particular post.
SS
Profile Joined May 2003
United States63 Posts
November 19 2003 21:23 GMT
#164
Hovs If you ever sign on battle.net msge me as x]SS[x
I would like to ask you some questions ( live ) . If not It's cool I understand your probably busy being spammed by ppl like " OMGWTFBBQ HOVS!"
I got da soup for ya!
AlaNtIs]ZIN[
Profile Joined September 2003
Uruguay142 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-19 22:42:40
November 19 2003 22:40 GMT
#165
[you were warned, and now you're gone - rek]


lol... uruguay
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
November 19 2003 22:46 GMT
#166
Don't argue strategy with someone who has proven to be successful and skilled at it when your only credibility is self-proclaimed profound knowledge. If you want people to respect your knowledge, then give them a reason to other than saying we couldn't "fathom" it.
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 19 2003 22:48 GMT
#167
cyric msn? i dont think i have u anymore O_O
why so 진지해?
iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
November 19 2003 22:52 GMT
#168
On November 20 2003 05:29 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
iGgs, what'd I ever do to you? I do have a "profound knowledge" of the game.

How do you know I don't?


p.s., you used ostensible incorrectly.


wasnt there another instance of you disputing something or another in which you were unanimously proven wrong, between yourself and travis perhaps? you kept on obstinately arguing your point just as you're doing now when you were simply wrong. you never did anything to me, but maybe you should stop trying to portray yourself as such a smart guy all the time and act like a normal person. your psuedo intellect act has got me all but sick.
rplant
Profile Joined May 2003
United States1178 Posts
November 19 2003 23:50 GMT
#169
Ok, sorry, but "all but sick" is just gay.

For the record, I suck at multitasking and am hugely ignorant about the game, and probably don't belong at this site (and definitely shouldn't be posting here).

Also, I think ObsoleteLogic is a tard.
Believing in God is like believing in a teapot orbiting Mars (Edit: wow I was a douche in 2003)
BinGBonG[gamei]
Profile Joined May 2003
Netherlands514 Posts
November 20 2003 00:45 GMT
#170
On November 19 2003 17:09 FreeZEternal wrote:
But why only play 1vs1? I'm kinda getting sick of 1vs1 so I am starting to play 2vs2 more often. You guys should try Brood War kor-2 in west server for team battles in hunters. So~!~!good. Nada is practicing 2vs2 too in Brood war kor-2. I remembered when I played against [Oops]November and his clan, 3vs3 in hunters for like 30 min.After that game, I did not play for the whole day(too tired).
At least you don't need to worry about gundam rushes, reaver drops and shits, but you have to micro your zeal the whole game -_-;;;.
It can be said that Brood war kor-2 is the namomo channel of team battles...heheh
\

Brood war kor-nexus!!! )) always fun 3v3
Smoke weed everyday ~-_-~
surv
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium337 Posts
November 20 2003 00:53 GMT
#171
Stay on the topic plz.

If the positions are pretty close so u can drop fast i would react with reaver tech. U can use the reaver to kill the riens and maybe a vult before dropping, or u can drop and pull back the reaver to break the contain. If the position are far away goons with range out of 2 gate followed an additional gate and observers are viable counters. Terran will have an hard time to send reinforcement to hold the contain. I wont expand to fast tho. The terran can switch to 3 fact. U ll be scouting him anyway so that not a problem. If u see a cc its logical that u take ur naturals. U could make a shut and take an island. And use the shut to drop some zeals near tanks. This is on LT. I saw a lot people posting their opinions based on LT. Even tho the majority play shitload of LT yust try to post more general.
I think that in a gundam the player who micros better will get the upperhand. This can happen very fast for both sides.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 20 2003 01:34 GMT
#172
On November 20 2003 00:45 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
Best counter to gundam is flat 2 goon obs. So long as you don't totally screw your micro (:

No, real fast dt or reaver I think is much better counter to gundam
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 20 2003 01:40 GMT
#173
To the person who said that 'range and 2 gate goon is the best vs gundam', what if they are not gundaming but 2 fac vult? Or add a 3rd fac and 3 fac vulture when you have no obs.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 20 2003 01:43 GMT
#174
On November 20 2003 07:52 iGgs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2003 05:29 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
iGgs, what'd I ever do to you? I do have a "profound knowledge" of the game.

How do you know I don't?


p.s., you used ostensible incorrectly.


wasnt there another instance of you disputing something or another in which you were unanimously proven wrong, between yourself and travis perhaps? you kept on obstinately arguing your point just as you're doing now when you were simply wrong. you never did anything to me, but maybe you should stop trying to portray yourself as such a smart guy all the time and act like a normal person. your psuedo intellect act has got me all but sick.

He always does that, just keeps on arguing by bringing the same stuff to the table everytime, hoping the other part will fall asleep : [
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
kaz
Profile Joined October 2002
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-20 02:17:13
November 20 2003 02:14 GMT
#175

On November 20 2003 10:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:
To the person who said that 'range and 2 gate goon is the best vs gundam', what if they are not gundaming but 2 fac vult? Or add a 3rd fac and 3 fac vulture when you have no obs.


that's a horrible way to argue things -- logically, if you weren't going up against gundam then you wouldn't go with a counter-gundam build order, regardless of whether or not you believe fast reaver or 2gate ranged goons is the better order. i could rephrase your statement as such: "to the person who said that 3rax beats muta, what if they are not going muta but hydra/lurker? or add another hatch and go 4 hatch ling?" see what i mean?

in any case, from personal experience i've found fast reaver beats gundam, pretty much hands down, unless the terran player is better than i am at micro and multitasking. while he creeps up my choke, i have many options: add a second gate, stop his mining, bring the reaver home to take out bunker, drop his tanks w/ zealot(s), etc., etc. however, those options can disappear in the span of fifteen seconds -- it's all about timing.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 20 2003 02:33 GMT
#176
On November 20 2003 11:14 kaz wrote:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2003 10:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:
To the person who said that 'range and 2 gate goon is the best vs gundam', what if they are not gundaming but 2 fac vult? Or add a 3rd fac and 3 fac vulture when you have no obs.


that's a horrible way to argue things -- logically, if you weren't going up against gundam then you wouldn't go with a counter-gundam build order, regardless of whether or not you believe fast reaver or 2gate ranged goons is the better order. i could rephrase your statement as such: "to the person who said that 3rax beats muta, what if they are not going muta but hydra/lurker? or add another hatch and go 4 hatch ling?" see what i mean?

in any case, from personal experience i've found fast reaver beats gundam, pretty much hands down, unless the terran player is better than i am at micro and multitasking. while he creeps up my choke, i have many options: add a second gate, stop his mining, bring the reaver home to take out bunker, drop his tanks w/ zealot(s), etc., etc. however, those options can disappear in the span of fifteen seconds -- it's all about timing.

You can scan a zerg, but you can't build obs when you go 2 gate range ;;
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
surv
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium337 Posts
November 20 2003 03:36 GMT
#177
medics > obs
Team anSWers
amat
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1788 Posts
November 20 2003 03:51 GMT
#178
On November 20 2003 12:36 surv wrote:
medics > obs


I didn't read any of the thread other than surv's post. My mind wanders...

Get on east sometime, we need to kill. And tell Blaze I said hi
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surv
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium337 Posts
November 20 2003 04:01 GMT
#179
I was joking. Eriador tried a blind strat on observers recenlty.
Team anSWers
amat
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1788 Posts
November 20 2003 04:03 GMT
#180
On November 20 2003 13:01 surv wrote:
I was joking. Eriador tried a blind strat on observers recenlty.


Eri is gosu

(Still haven't read the thread )
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