First off if you do gundam strat right there is no way toss can get dt reaver fast enough to do anything anyways.That means they would only have one goon 2 at most to stop vulture rine tank push.Toss would be forced to use the reaver at main and terran would have enough time to get mines and a turrent up.Even if toss countered, toss would be raped just the same with the push.Terran could float exchange bases and have mine tank rine and scvs to protect.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

November 19 2003 15:32 GMT

#143

Reaver used to break gundam push is pretty good though (really good :O).

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

November 19 2003 15:39 GMT

#144

So many outcomes..depending on position or timming...heheh
THat's why I love this game...

ObsoleteLogic

United States3676 Posts

November 19 2003 15:45 GMT

#145

Best counter to gundam is flat 2 goon obs. So long as you don't totally screw your micro (:

DeMoNiC

United States294 Posts

November 19 2003 16:00 GMT

#146

i understand what obsolete logic means, i understand the game fairly well( i know all the termonology, all the nice players, popular builds, i keep track of the leagues ect..) , but im really slow (less then 70 apm average) i cant multitask for shit, and my micro is quite poor since i havent practiced it enough and i obviously have slow hands, all and all i think even if i had played bw for 6 years i would not be as good as hovZ or Ilnp... unless i immensly improved my hand speed and strat execution within that time period.. in conclusion i suck =)

oov

United States21 Posts

November 19 2003 16:01 GMT

#147

If you want the best way to stop it.I'll tell you my little way.1 gate core robo 2 gate range.Proxy gate asap after 2 gate main and force terran to come out slow back up unit make terran waste some mines get 2-3 lots or goons out of proxy and rape it! 2 gate goon obs wont stop gundam rush if the terran is gosu.But proxy will.When you stop the push triple nexus(2 expo for the newbs) because the terran will 99% of the time be making cc to recover.

NickDapaulo

United States867 Posts

November 19 2003 16:03 GMT

#148

On November 19 2003 04:50 ObsoleteLogic wrote:

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I know more about BW than you could possibly fathom. The fact of the matter is, I'm not a good player. I know what to do, how to do it, but I can never actually do it myself; I get flustered and stop thinking in game. That you automatically concede defeat to a reaver/dt drop because you gundamed, shows that you really lack imagination/creativity.

So you just read BW websites all day on strategies and counters and never actually practice them?

DeMoNiC

United States294 Posts

November 19 2003 16:05 GMT

#149

lol he has poor execution like me, practice would help very slightly.. its really his lack of concentration that must be corrected for him to be a good player.. when u have something that hard to change stopping u from being a good player its relatively hopeless to try and get good

DeMoNiC

United States294 Posts

November 19 2003 16:06 GMT

#150

to be honest, i havent played bw seriously for a year or so... and the last time i played for fun was almost 2 months ago =o

NickDapaulo

United States867 Posts

November 19 2003 16:11 GMT

#151

I never really "looked up" strategies or actually tried to remember counters. It comes from practice.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

November 19 2003 16:18 GMT

#152

On November 20 2003 01:00 DeMoNiC wrote:
i understand what obsolete logic means, i understand the game fairly well( i know all the termonology, all the nice players, popular builds, i keep track of the leagues ect..) , but im really slow (less then 70 apm average) i cant multitask for shit, and my micro is quite poor since i havent practiced it enough and i obviously have slow hands, all and all i think even if i had played bw for 6 years i would not be as good as hovZ or Ilnp... unless i immensly improved my hand speed and strat execution within that time period.. in conclusion i suck =)

There's a loooot more to understanding BW than just superficial stuff like that

. You don't need to know terminology, pro leagues, etc. to be good at BW, anyway.

For instance, you may know the popular builds, but do you know why they're so successful, as opposed to other possible builds?

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

November 19 2003 16:54 GMT

#153

Sorry OL, but unless you are good enough to practice a strategy to it's fullest extent and feel all the distinct intricies in the timing and stuff, you cannot fully understand the game as much as a skilled player.

Theres a lot more to it than what beats what ; )

ObsoleteLogic

United States3676 Posts

November 19 2003 17:42 GMT

#154

Of course. I never said there isn't. I know the "intricies in the timing and stuff," but usually blow them. Like I said, I occasionally pull out a really good game. But occasionally isn't enough, is it? (:

iGgs

Russian Federation772 Posts

November 19 2003 20:16 GMT

#155

does anyone else want to stomp ol's face in? he blunders by coming off like he has a profound knowledge of the game(gogo boost ego) and then recovers by trying to be 'modest'. am i the only one who sees through his ostensible bs?

ObsoleteLogic

United States3676 Posts

November 19 2003 20:29 GMT

#156

iGgs, what'd I ever do to you? I do have a "profound knowledge" of the game.

How do you know I don't?

p.s., you used ostensible incorrectly.

Deleted User 3420

24492 Posts

November 19 2003 20:33 GMT

#157

you made your idiotic text come up on his screen

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

November 19 2003 20:37 GMT

#158

OL..you think you do, but you have no idea.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36389 Posts

November 19 2003 20:40 GMT

#159

On November 19 2003 04:50 ObsoleteLogic wrote:

(quoting HovZ)

I know more about BW than you could possibly fathom. The fact of the matter is, I'm not a good player. I know what to do, how to do it, but I can never actually do it myself; I get flustered and stop thinking in game.

I'm pretty sure he and many people can "fathom" your boundless BW knowledge. I don't know what "profound knowledge" you may possess, and I don't know how you could possibly be such a Brood War savant and at the same time not be a good player. It's just contradictory.

You can't separate execution from "knowing the game" because it's such a huge part of BW. We've all watched Boxer kill lurkers with marines and we know everything about it, but that doesn't mean we know how to do it. Your statement about "knowing the intricacies and timing and stuff" is just blatantly wrong. If you did you'd be a good player.

Why don't you make an RWA of one of your own replays (maybe one of the occasional good games) and share some of the profound knowledge, I'm sure everyone here would benefit, oh great professional BW coach that is OL.