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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28899 Posts
November 18 2003 21:48 GMT
#61
obsoletelogic

people with good understanding of starcraft are always good players.

even if you have 80 apm you can be a somewhat good player as long as you've got a good understanding of the game.
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AlaNtIs]ZIN[
Profile Joined September 2003
Uruguay142 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-18 22:04:29
November 18 2003 21:52 GMT
#62
[ummm...well...rofl..warning! -rek]
lol... uruguay
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
November 18 2003 21:56 GMT
#63
i agree with atlantis. point out where im wrong, or go debate with ilnp about the gundam, but when i can be bothered tellin someone wat a gundam is, why have u gotta try to bring me down? i didnt do shit 2 u and i havent disagreed, i have laid out in fairly general terms (which is also wat u've done) facts and opinions on a tactic.
A firebat to your Zergling.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
November 18 2003 22:18 GMT
#64
On November 19 2003 06:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
obsoletelogic

people with good understanding of starcraft are always good players.

even if you have 80 apm you can be a somewhat good player as long as you've got a good understanding of the game.
ya i dont know if u remember [GiTM]-Druid but he is hella slow and kicks my ass when we play(which is not very often)
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
NewbieMcNasty
Profile Joined December 2002
United States328 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-18 22:37:14
November 18 2003 22:32 GMT
#65
Gundam push can hold a DT or reaver drop quite easily if you want it to. Generally your second tank will be finished and third will be about halfway done. Always start ebay shortly after first tank is finished, so you have turrets in time.

If you strongly suspect a drop, siege a tank, build two turrets and set some mines. If you aren't sure (as in opponent is contained but may try and break out with shuttle/ob/goon), try and surround opponents base with mines, so that you can quickly react to a drop by redirecting any tanks or vults en route to your containment force. Its somewhat of a guessing game but its in Terran's favor:
You decide to send 2nd tank to contain:
A: Toss tries and breaks out: Toss loses miserably
B: Toss drops, in which case you still may have time to send back
second tank, build turret, or get third tank if you saw drop. If
you didn't spot drop at all you probably lose.
You decide to keep 2nd tank back:
A: Toss tries and breaks out: May or may not succeed. One tank
with siege mode, bunker, 2 scv, and 3 mines may stop 6-7 goons.
B: Toss drops, in which case your turret, tank, and mines will
most likely slaughter the drop. Try to put tank in an odd place
so toss is less likely to notice it and drop his reaver or dts
on it.

If your opponent isn't contained, its because he invested all his money into goons to stall your push and won't be dropping any time soon.
yep
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
November 18 2003 22:44 GMT
#66
see thats wat we want, specific and good explanation. now ill shutup and say happily "im a no-nothing noob"

:p
A firebat to your Zergling.
iLd-Hugo
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway49 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-18 22:59:48
November 18 2003 22:57 GMT
#67
On November 19 2003 05:12 ilnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2003 04:50 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
On November 19 2003 04:34 HovZ wrote:
uhh, ya then ur 1 tank 4 riens and 1 vult at his base die to dt, very smart o logic. if u knew more about bw ud know why im right


I know more about BW than you could possibly fathom. The fact of the matter is, I'm not a good player. I know what to do, how to do it, but I can never actually do it myself; I get flustered and stop thinking in game. That you automatically concede defeat to a reaver/dt drop because you gundamed, shows that you really lack imagination/creativity.


I really doubt that's true. A lot of mediocre players (i use mediocre loosely because objectively i consider myself mediocre which would make you guys fucking ratass horrible) assume what holds them back at BW is their mouse speed/level of practice. That's not it. I don't play anymore but I can still come back and win a large percentage of my games against everybody "the rung below" even though a lot of speed/micro/feeling is gone. I just know what to do.

That's why you see a lot of really good players play other races with ease. Once you understand what makes each matchup function and work and why you're winning your games learning other matchups is very easy.



Yes, everybody thinks they are just as talented as everybody else and understand exactly how the game works. Then you get better and you realize how little you actually knew... (and how much you still have to learn)
woo babo ._.
Nextel
Profile Joined November 2003
United States159 Posts
November 19 2003 00:15 GMT
#68
logic is just confused T_T;;
zeus
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia324 Posts
November 19 2003 00:22 GMT
#69
On November 19 2003 06:44 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2003 06:40 SpuniasauR wrote:
omfg. gundam is early vult with rine and plenty scv. sometimes tank, wat all versions of gundam have in common is that 1. the scvs press the goons so u can micro rines in front of em and vults mine behind. then u push forward. second it involves gettin as close as u can to the toss's base then one or 2 bunkers.

a bamboo IS THE SAME THING. its called a gundam becuz gundam thought it up. and it was nicknamed bamboo because its hard to break in early game pvt. see u can go hard out goon and ob but if ur micro is bad or ur unlucky in some way it can push u back as far as ur exp and then tanks/vults push can START from there, which i dont have to tell u is a pain in the ass. think LT if they can fire on ur ramp itll b hard to break the push successfully. if u go reaver u can stop it or go to the enemies base (the point of this thread) or if u go dt u can choose again, break it? or go to enemies base. i agree if the toss goes DT the gundam fucks the terran up bad cuz unless u have great mine placement ur screwed. turrets mostly wont be up in time and dts can wreck ur base. i personally prefer a straight fast tech to reaver when a guy goes gundam cuz it allows me to hit his lowly defended base or out range the bunker straight away with reaver. that is if i havent started singularity for goons (they outrange bunker with range upgrade and reaver allows for fastish obs compared to dt tech. ok so thats 4 u verbloten and solari, hovz and ilnp dont have a flame @ me, im just explaining 2 them.


shut up when you don't know what you are talking about.

gundam is VERY specific


travis go fuck urself
where do you want to go today?i want to go nowhere. and if i do, i will do it in my own timeand when i am ready. just give me the steering wheel and ill let *you* know where i will be going.Linux: Telling Microsoft where to go today since 1991
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 19 2003 00:31 GMT
#70
im smarter than you and your mom is a prostitute
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
November 19 2003 01:30 GMT
#71
lol please break out the "i left the 10cents in the fridge" joke and show us all how original u can be travis.
A firebat to your Zergling.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 19 2003 01:32 GMT
#72
i dont even know about that joke
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
November 19 2003 01:45 GMT
#73
it goes "tell ur momma i left the 10c in the fridge" ie. ur mums a prostitute worth 10cents.

maybe its just an aussie thing :p
A firebat to your Zergling.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28899 Posts
November 19 2003 01:54 GMT
#74
hahaha

that post was great.
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LinYu)Fury
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway200 Posts
November 19 2003 01:54 GMT
#75
Hovz are you going to make more of those gosu rwa? i fucking died when i heared the shoutcast of u vs rekrul :D thats just art~ more more!
LinYu)Fury
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway200 Posts
November 19 2003 01:54 GMT
#76
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-19 02:12:30
November 19 2003 02:02 GMT
#77
Should have read the other posts before answering!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-19 02:12:47
November 19 2003 02:09 GMT
#78
Should have read the other posts before answering;[
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
November 19 2003 05:32 GMT
#79
Koreans usually try the gundam push very often. Out of 10 games yesterday in US west, 7 terrans tried the gundam push. Hovz is right when he said type gg and leave the game. I reaver drop like in 5 games, and noticed that whenever I went to his main to drop, his unit were half way to my main, and he would be making his first turret when the reaver actually drops in his min. lines. He can't make turrets quickly as some of you guys said because gundam rush is about timming, so if you start making ebay after your first tank, you will be slightly behind. And the other thig about mines, I just drop a goon first to search of mines and then the reaver, so mines are not problem at all. Some of you said to leave one to two tanks siege, but then the toss will just rape your push with some goons and the next reaver that will come out. I think DT drop is easier to stop because you will have your first turret or two, so it is not a problem. So, a Reaver drop is like a 95% gg. The 5% is for you know, when the reaver doens't do shit even if it shoots -_-;;. And also, gundam push is about timming, you can't star making turrets and siege tanks inside your main. gg
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
November 19 2003 06:07 GMT
#80
Eri - Ever heard of modesty? And actually, the whole APM thing comes as a distraction to me; if I think about it in the slightest, I end up mashing keys and not thinking. Pavlovian reaction, almost. Terribly sad.

The three people I have played and lost to on this forum (in this discussion at least), are HovZ (which was a game I could have won, but didn't play that well), Travis (which was back in... January, I believe), and ilnp (also in January).

There are several people involved in this discussion whom I have beaten. I won't name names. Needless to say, many of you aren't even close to qualified to comment on how good or bad I am.

So kindly shut up.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
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