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On June 28 2015 23:47 Orlok wrote:
Hey guys! Im also a guy trying to get a empty slot in enlistment dates, so I think I can explain what Bisu can do. In Bisu's case, the only probable way for him to be able to participate in SSL is to quit his slot. Basically, he has to do what Jangbi did, forfeit the enlistment date. Bisu doesn't have any real reason that he can state to delay his enlistment date, so if he wants to continue playing in SSL, he'll have to forfeit the enlistment date he's received.
Its problematic for Bisu because the military slots right now are fairly difficult to enter, so if he forfeits the date he's received there's no guarantee he'll get a enlistment date that he wants, for example after this season of Sonic Starleague. I probably think, since he said on stream he wanted to delay, he'll probably forfeit this enlistment date and re-apply after the tournament is over.
Wait - by forfeit, do you mean just saying you're not going? Like...
Bisu: "I want to delay my enlistment date please."
Korean Army: "You have no valid reason. No."
Bisu: "Damn. Then, I'm not going. Give me a new enlistment date."
Korean Army: "Why didn't you say so in the first place?"
It's something like this? That's weird o_O I guess what you are saying is they can be like "Okay, instead of July 21st you can come on the 24th," right?
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Korea (South)227 Posts
Well, it is kind of like that, but its not quite that either.
Basically, when you forfeit your enlistment date, that doesn't mean you NOT going to the military period. It just means you give up entering the army on that date.
Forfeiting a given enlistment date basically entails the person who forfeited that date to re-apply for another date.
Its problematic because due to the amount of people (men, in this case) who also are trying to apply for a enlistment date, his second try to enlist will be more difficult to get. It might come sooner then he wants it to, or extremely later than he wants it to; its all up to luck really, if he doesn't apply for a special branch of the military like KATUSA or something like that.
so the conversation you posted? it goes like this
Bisu: "I would like to forfeit my enlistment date."
Army: "Alright. the spot you received will be given to someone else. Re-apply before you're 35(the max age of a man to apply for military service; if you're over 35, you can't enlist)"
Bisu: "Alright."
Hope this helps!
TLDR; he basically quits the spot given to him, the spot goes to someone else, he has to reapply for a new spot. The new enlistment date isn't given, he has to apply AGAIN.
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On June 29 2015 00:05 Orlok wrote:
Well, it is kind of like that, but its not quite that either.
Basically, when you forfeit your enlistment date, that doesn't mean you NOT going to the military period. It just means you give up entering the army on that date.
Forfeiting a given enlistment date basically entails the person who forfeited that date to re-apply for another date.
Its problematic because due to the amount of people (men, in this case) who also are trying to apply for a enlistment date, his second try to enlist will be more difficult to get. It might come sooner then he wants it to, or extremely later than he wants it to; its all up to luck really, if he doesn't apply for a special branch of the military like KATUSA or something like that.
so the conversation you posted? it goes like this
Bisu: "I would like to forfeit my enlistment date."
Army: "Alright. the spot you received will be given to someone else. Re-apply before you're 35(the max age of a man to apply for military service; if you're over 35, you can't enlist)"
Bisu: "Alright."
Hope this helps!
TLDR; he basically quits the spot given to him, the spot goes to someone else, he has to reapply for a new spot. The new enlistment date isn't given, he has to apply AGAIN.
Oh... So it's really not that big of a deal then! Thank you for elaborating. Is this something that people in Korea look down upon as well?
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What happens if you forfeit again and again until you're 35? Surely you have to serve at some point if you want to keep your citizenship, right?
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On June 29 2015 01:41 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 00:05 Orlok wrote:
Well, it is kind of like that, but its not quite that either.
Basically, when you forfeit your enlistment date, that doesn't mean you NOT going to the military period. It just means you give up entering the army on that date.
Forfeiting a given enlistment date basically entails the person who forfeited that date to re-apply for another date.
Its problematic because due to the amount of people (men, in this case) who also are trying to apply for a enlistment date, his second try to enlist will be more difficult to get. It might come sooner then he wants it to, or extremely later than he wants it to; its all up to luck really, if he doesn't apply for a special branch of the military like KATUSA or something like that.
so the conversation you posted? it goes like this
Bisu: "I would like to forfeit my enlistment date."
Army: "Alright. the spot you received will be given to someone else. Re-apply before you're 35(the max age of a man to apply for military service; if you're over 35, you can't enlist)"
Bisu: "Alright."
Hope this helps!
TLDR; he basically quits the spot given to him, the spot goes to someone else, he has to reapply for a new spot. The new enlistment date isn't given, he has to apply AGAIN. Oh... So it's really not that big of a deal then! Thank you for elaborating. Is this something that people in Korea look down upon as well?
well like he said, the date is random. korean men usually want to get their military done around the first or 2nd year of uni. it gives them time to finish uni after with possibilities to complete internships, further studies etc.
once thats all done you want to be applying for jobs by the time youre 27 otherwise you start to run into unemployment issues. its competitive enough just trying to get a good job with credentials and experience, so you dont want to disadvantage yourself further by applying 2 years later than people. also, employers dont hire you if they know you have to leave for military a couple years into your job. so it is a pretty huge deal for normal people who are looking to get a day job. doing military later effectively kills any hope of them finding a decent paying job and working up the corporate ladder
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On June 29 2015 09:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 01:41 Jealous wrote:On June 29 2015 00:05 Orlok wrote:
Well, it is kind of like that, but its not quite that either.
Basically, when you forfeit your enlistment date, that doesn't mean you NOT going to the military period. It just means you give up entering the army on that date.
Forfeiting a given enlistment date basically entails the person who forfeited that date to re-apply for another date.
Its problematic because due to the amount of people (men, in this case) who also are trying to apply for a enlistment date, his second try to enlist will be more difficult to get. It might come sooner then he wants it to, or extremely later than he wants it to; its all up to luck really, if he doesn't apply for a special branch of the military like KATUSA or something like that.
so the conversation you posted? it goes like this
Bisu: "I would like to forfeit my enlistment date."
Army: "Alright. the spot you received will be given to someone else. Re-apply before you're 35(the max age of a man to apply for military service; if you're over 35, you can't enlist)"
Bisu: "Alright."
Hope this helps!
TLDR; he basically quits the spot given to him, the spot goes to someone else, he has to reapply for a new spot. The new enlistment date isn't given, he has to apply AGAIN. Oh... So it's really not that big of a deal then! Thank you for elaborating. Is this something that people in Korea look down upon as well? well like he said, the date is random. korean men usually want to get their military done around the first or 2nd year of uni. it gives them time to finish uni after with possibilities to complete internships, further studies etc. once thats all done you want to be applying for jobs by the time youre 27 otherwise you start to run into unemployment issues. its competitive enough just trying to get a good job with credentials and experience, so you dont want to disadvantage yourself further by applying 2 years later than people. also, employers dont hire you if they know you have to leave for military a couple years into your job. so it is a pretty huge deal for normal people who are looking to get a day job. doing military later effectively kills any hope of them finding a decent paying job and working up the corporate ladder
I see, thank you for explaining further. As far as I know Bisu hasn't been making any moves towards education or standard jobs yet, right? It would suck if this got in the way of either of those, because then I'd say he has to choose to go and skip on SSL rather than impact his financial stability...
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well i emphasised normal people because i dont think this applies to bisu
he seems to be content on making money through afreeca and being a personality around korean esports. in these cases the military service has less of an impact because bisu will be making money off his legacy and name.
to be brutally honest if bisu attempted to transition into a normal desk job life, he wouldnt stand a chance. no one would hire him unless he applied for specialised positions within game related companies/departments and even then there arent any guarantees. to my knowledge he hasnt graduated out of a university and he probably doesnt have any skills in particular (aside from his ridiculous multitask?).
companies like blizzard, ncsoft, nexon etc look for people who have MASSIVE knowledge and experience in gaming + decent understanding of business (unless youre applying as a developer). bisu, despite all his brilliance in starcraft, probably hasnt played enough games to be of use to these companies, and these types of companies are the only ones which bisu could realistically look forward to.
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On June 29 2015 09:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:
once thats all done you want to be applying for jobs by the time youre 27 otherwise you start to run into unemployment issues. its competitive enough just trying to get a good job with credentials and experience, so you dont want to disadvantage yourself further by applying 2 years later than people. also, employers dont hire you if they know you have to leave for military a couple years into your job. so it is a pretty huge deal for normal people who are looking to get a day job. doing military later effectively kills any hope of them finding a decent paying job and working up the corporate ladder
that only applies if you are ambitious and want to go work in a high paying job in one of the big companies/chaebol (ie. many uni graduates).
otherwise i dont think it matters when you have done the military as long as you did it before applying for a decent normal job.
bisu with his looks alone he could be a professional model or something.
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On June 29 2015 11:03 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 09:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:
once thats all done you want to be applying for jobs by the time youre 27 otherwise you start to run into unemployment issues. its competitive enough just trying to get a good job with credentials and experience, so you dont want to disadvantage yourself further by applying 2 years later than people. also, employers dont hire you if they know you have to leave for military a couple years into your job. so it is a pretty huge deal for normal people who are looking to get a day job. doing military later effectively kills any hope of them finding a decent paying job and working up the corporate ladder that only applies if you are ambitious and want to go work in a high paying job in one of the big companies/chaebol (ie. many uni graduates). otherwise i dont think it matters when you have done the military as long as you did it before applying for a decent normal job. bisu with his looks alone he could be a professional model or something.
He also has a ridiculous fan club. A lot of those people probably have jobs by now (fans that have been with him since 2007) and can help him get a job I'm guessing. That's worst-case scenario, of course, but it's still something to consider as an asset.
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Doesn't Bisu better serve his country by playing more Starcraft?
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TLADT24920 Posts
On July 02 2015 11:38 prech wrote:After Bisu's SSL Ro16 match yesterday, he was interviewed by Esports Daily![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4etkWEb.png) For his closing statement, Bisu said "For me, the last Starleague I have to win is the OGN. I will be sure to win this tournament." (  snipealot for translation) Not quite explicitly mentioning the enlistment, but perhaps alluding to it? As in the "last" title besides the MSL, or last of his career...
that motivation. Is that why he was cheesing in the earlier rounds? 
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Bisutopia19305 Posts
On July 02 2015 11:56 TheFish7 wrote:
Doesn't Bisu better serve his country by playing more Starcraft?
I agree.
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Even though you can't always play the predictable standard play. You have to keep them guessing your strategy every game.
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On June 09 2015 12:20 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm sure he can postpone at least until the end of the OSL. He is also still a couple years away from age max. I've known this was coming and honestly just want him to get it over with.
Alternatively: someone shoot him in the foot.
Hmmm or maybe someone should I don't know dagger Bisu's foot? Hmm Bisu, foot, dagger... Bisu, Dagger... BisuDagger... I just can't find the solution to this problem!
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Boxer made it fun.
Bisu needs to bring back ACE!
Or... he'll just vanish...
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On July 02 2015 13:48 Invidentia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 12:20 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm sure he can postpone at least until the end of the OSL. He is also still a couple years away from age max. I've known this was coming and honestly just want him to get it over with.
Alternatively: someone shoot him in the foot. Hmmm or maybe someone should I don't know dagger Bisu's foot? Hmm Bisu, foot, dagger... Bisu, Dagger... BisuDagger... I just can't find the solution to this problem!
That was close. If you say my name three times you summon bisujuice.
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bisu is sure to win this tournament
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I say just get it over with and whatever way things are, adapt to it. At least you wouldn't have service dangling over you any longer.
My bad, didn't realize he had a tournament.
Yeah the mandatory service would also seem like such a burden. Guess that sounds horrible.. lol.
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On July 02 2015 11:38 prech wrote:After Bisu's SSL Ro16 match yesterday, he was interviewed by Esports DailyFor his closing statement, Bisu said "For me, the last Starleague I have to win is the OGN. I will be sure to win this tournament." ( snipealot for translation) Not quite explicitly mentioning the enlistment, but perhaps alluding to it? As in the "last" title besides the MSL, or last of his career...
Such a handsome guy
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EPT
