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United States2948 Posts
On June 12 2015 04:39 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 01:35 Probemicro wrote:On June 11 2015 01:18 Phyanketto wrote:On June 11 2015 00:41 Probemicro wrote:On June 11 2015 00:05 thezanursic wrote:
I dunno if you play a game for almost 10.years and you're a God at it, it's not that hard to bounce back. yeah tell that to JD with his awful display in that exhibit match against stork last year. going from undisputed no.1 zerg that make any opponents piss their pants to laughable random fish player calibre, all because he wants to play swarmhostcraft instead rust sets in as long as you don't practice in a long time. TBH tho you don't think Jaedong would whoop everyone in the current BW scene after a month of practice? the guy I replied to was implying Nada did not even touched the game once for years prior to his return to afreeca, which is hugely doubtful since his mechanics already look decent on his first day of afreeca. contrast that to another fellow 30+ year old iris, who look REAL rusty and slow in his stream on his return early this year and has rapidly improved since then and if JD returns he would need more than a month to return to form, fellow s class zerg effort is still struggling against top players despite being around for half a year. lategame zerg is tough at the highest level I dunno how much EffOrt is struggling. He's largely dismantling everybody on stream. Watched him 2-0 and 3-0 both SSak and Mong numerous times. Obviously his vP is completely dominant. Hasn't lost in a match yet according to TLPD and I can probably count on one hand the number of ZvPs he has lost on stream. ZvZ seems to maybe be a sticking point, his record there doesn't look good, and he rarely plays it on stream so hard to know where he is at.
Agreed about that assessments of  EffOrt's ZvT (very strong) and ZvZ (mediocre), but his ZvP is not quite at the level of hero, Tasiki/miSa (Calm?), or Killer (in his prime) -- but closer to Larva and ZerO's.
Over the last few months, I've watched EffOrt play  Bisu some 50 times (mostly FS, but also plenty of SSL maps for practice), and can probably count 5, maybe 8 wins for EffOrt during that period -- all of which were early ling run-bys or mid-game hydra/lurker bust timings. The only Zerg who seems to be able to counter Bisu's late game PvZ of late is Tasiki, and we don't really know who he is! Similarly, EffOrt's lost plenty of ladder games against second tier PvZers like Shuttle or GuemChi.
No knock on the guy, he's only been in the scene for a few months and his ZvT is terrific, but let's not throne him the ZvP crown here...
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On June 11 2015 23:21 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 13:32 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 11 2015 09:55 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 06:40 jinorazi wrote:
teamliquid acquires bisu.
bisu gets visa.
bisu marries a tl staff be it male or female.
gets naturalized.
DO IT. Even american(or other nation) koreans have to serve. no they dont. as said above, all they have to do is forfeit their citizenship. but if you have a foreign citizenship as a korean then you will already have accepted that your korean citizenship must be forfeit, so no big deal there OR you can get permanent residency in another country and just sit there till youre too old to go military. basically do what yoo seung jun did, except you wont get banned from entering the country because youre a nobody and the korean government cant possibly keep track of everyone whos doing this. You mean I'm exactly right? As in anyone who wants to remain a korean MUST serve whether they live there or not. And we are being a realistic here about our discussion of Bisu's choice. Not discussing ways to get around it. And you really come of ignorant saying That's a really big fucking deal. First off people are actually proud to be citizens of their country. Second, if Bisu isn't a citizen how can he compete in offline Korean leagues? Not serving without cause would ruin his career. Go ahead and take your chances with that one lol. I'm sure you'll just slip on by.
how are u right? wtf?
american(or other nation) koreans implies their nationality ISNT korean. they are of american(or other nation) nationality with korean background. thats what your sentence says, in which case no, these people are not required to serve.
also, i never said this way of dodging service was applicable to bisu. i was explaining how it works to normal people who have foreign citizenship elsewhere. how the fk did that totally go over your head? no shit bisu cant forfeit korean citizenship; hed be a man of no country then.
also, korea has NO dual citizenship. picking up citizenship at another country already means that particular person has the intent of forfeiting korean citizenship. so yes it is no big deal because everyone sees it coming
also i know tens of people who are doing exactly what i just said in australia so i dont need to take my chances lol. besides im already an australian citizen so i dont go military anyway
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Bisutopia19399 Posts
On June 12 2015 10:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 23:21 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 13:32 evilfatsh1t wrote:On June 11 2015 09:55 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 06:40 jinorazi wrote:
teamliquid acquires bisu.
bisu gets visa.
bisu marries a tl staff be it male or female.
gets naturalized.
DO IT. Even american(or other nation) koreans have to serve. no they dont. as said above, all they have to do is forfeit their citizenship. but if you have a foreign citizenship as a korean then you will already have accepted that your korean citizenship must be forfeit, so no big deal there OR you can get permanent residency in another country and just sit there till youre too old to go military. basically do what yoo seung jun did, except you wont get banned from entering the country because youre a nobody and the korean government cant possibly keep track of everyone whos doing this. You mean I'm exactly right? As in anyone who wants to remain a korean MUST serve whether they live there or not. And we are being a realistic here about our discussion of Bisu's choice. Not discussing ways to get around it. And you really come of ignorant saying korean citizenship must be forfeit, so no big deal there That's a really big fucking deal. First off people are actually proud to be citizens of their country. Second, if Bisu isn't a citizen how can he compete in offline Korean leagues? Not serving without cause would ruin his career. the korean government cant possibly keep track of everyone whos doing this. Go ahead and take your chances with that one lol. I'm sure you'll just slip on by. how are u right? wtf? american(or other nation) koreans implies their nationality ISNT korean. they are of american(or other nation) nationality with korean background. thats what your sentence says, in which case no, these people are not required to serve. also, i never said this way of dodging service was applicable to bisu. i was explaining how it works to normal people who have foreign citizenship elsewhere. how the fk did that totally go over your head? no shit bisu cant forfeit korean citizenship; hed be a man of no country then. also, korea has NO dual citizenship. picking up citizenship at another country already means that particular person has the intent of forfeiting korean citizenship. so yes it is no big deal because everyone sees it coming also i know tens of people who are doing exactly what i just said in australia so i dont need to take my chances lol. besides im already an australian citizen so i dont go military anyway
Koreans do have dual citizenship. Iirc if your mother is korean and you are born in America you can maintain your korean status if you serve. I have several korean friends who did this. One even served with boxer.
Edit: we are clearly on two different pages so I'll just say I'm sorry for my angry post and am moving on.
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On June 09 2015 13:05 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 12:25 Dumbledore wrote:On June 09 2015 12:20 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm sure he can postpone at least until the end of the OSL. He is also still a couple years away from age max. I've known this was coming and honestly just want him to get it over with.
Alternatively: someone shoot him in the foot. I second this! SOMEONE FIND HIM AND AMPUTATE THAT FOOT I'll do it! I have a sword and can keep his foot frozen to gaze at longingly from my bed.
Holy shit, I have a sharpened katana aswell, hell let's take one foot each!
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You people are so blind. What Bisu needs is a sex-change operation. Problem solved!
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Japan11945 Posts
On June 12 2015 15:12 lemmata wrote:
You people are so blind. What Bisu needs is a sex-change operation. Problem solved!
Wait, Bisu's not a girl already??!?
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Bisutopia19399 Posts
What will we do while Bisu is in service? Hold all tournaments?
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I was a Korean citizen, became naturalized in 2013 to become a US citizen and I had to forfeit my Korean citizenship (not that I wanted it anyway lol).
Also I came to the US at the age of 3 years old, was a permanent resident for the most part. At a certain point, the Korean government exempted me from enlisting in the military because I lived here for so long. I think this was an exception for my case, but I'm fortunate I did not have to go.
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On June 24 2015 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:
What will we do while Bisu is in service? Hold all tournaments?
Watch all the protoss players try to be bisu.
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Bisutopia19399 Posts
On June 24 2015 05:16 TheGreatOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:
What will we do while Bisu is in service? Hold all tournaments? Watch all the protoss players try to be bisu.
Olympus is our only hope.
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On June 24 2015 06:02 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 05:16 TheGreatOne wrote:On June 24 2015 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:
What will we do while Bisu is in service? Hold all tournaments? Watch all the protoss players try to be bisu. Olympus is our only hope.
What about Jaehoon,shuttle, and free?
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one does not simply try to be bisu
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From what I understand, in the past you were not allowed to have a dual citizenship if you were a Korean citizen. The law changed in 2010 when Koreans who have lived in a few select countries (U.S. included) under the age of ~5 wished to apply for dual citizenship. However, the catch is that for males, they must finish their duties while females did not.
[I am a U.S. Resident and have finished my service, have contacted the U.S. and Korean governments and embassies to make sure I can keep both citizenships before going to do my military duty]
Trying to postpone your military service is not uncommon at all. It is a very active discussion. It's just that it's very unwise as when companies hire people, they do look at when and where they finished their military services. So it's wiser to do it at the 'right' age which is right when you turn 21.
I might be saying this because I already did mine, but it REALLY is important that people just go and do it. Yes it IS two years of your life, but at the same time, in Korea the culture value of it is so strong that while you may not notice it when you are young, but when you become an adult, it is somewhat embarrassing to mention when you purposefully try to dodge out or go late because you just don't want to go.
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On June 24 2015 12:46 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
From what I understand, in the past you were not allowed to have a dual citizenship if you were a Korean citizen. The law changed in 2010 when Koreans who have lived in a few select countries (U.S. included) under the age of ~5 wished to apply for dual citizenship. However, the catch is that for males, they must finish their duties while females did not.
[I am a U.S. Resident and have finished my service, have contacted the U.S. and Korean governments and embassies to make sure I can keep both citizenships before going to do my military duty]
Trying to postpone your military service is not uncommon at all. It is a very active discussion. It's just that it's very unwise as when companies hire people, they do look at when and where they finished their military services. So it's wiser to do it at the 'right' age which is right when you turn 21.
I might be saying this because I already did mine, but it REALLY is important that people just go and do it. Yes it IS two years of your life, but at the same time, in Korea the culture value of it is so strong that while you may not notice it when you are young, but when you become an adult, it is somewhat embarrassing to mention when you purposefully try to dodge out or go late because you just don't want to go.
if you plan on living in korea after studies, then yes you should go. the amount of shit you would get from your peers, colleagues, potential gf+family etc is not worth not going. but if youre gonna live overseas, no one really gives a shit if you try to dodge military, because foreigners never have to go through it anyway. and lets be honest, koreans overseas are much less critical of military dodging because they would all do the same if they could
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On June 24 2015 12:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 12:46 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
From what I understand, in the past you were not allowed to have a dual citizenship if you were a Korean citizen. The law changed in 2010 when Koreans who have lived in a few select countries (U.S. included) under the age of ~5 wished to apply for dual citizenship. However, the catch is that for males, they must finish their duties while females did not.
[I am a U.S. Resident and have finished my service, have contacted the U.S. and Korean governments and embassies to make sure I can keep both citizenships before going to do my military duty]
Trying to postpone your military service is not uncommon at all. It is a very active discussion. It's just that it's very unwise as when companies hire people, they do look at when and where they finished their military services. So it's wiser to do it at the 'right' age which is right when you turn 21.
I might be saying this because I already did mine, but it REALLY is important that people just go and do it. Yes it IS two years of your life, but at the same time, in Korea the culture value of it is so strong that while you may not notice it when you are young, but when you become an adult, it is somewhat embarrassing to mention when you purposefully try to dodge out or go late because you just don't want to go. if you plan on living in korea after studies, then yes you should go. the amount of shit you would get from your peers, colleagues, potential gf+family etc is not worth not going. but if youre gonna live overseas, no one really gives a shit if you try to dodge military, because foreigners never have to go through it anyway. and lets be honest, koreans overseas are much less critical of military dodging because they would all do the same if they could
There are a few problems that you could run into with that in terms of employment however.
If you were to ever apply for companies that are Korean orientated companies (Samsung LG) they do take those issues into account. Similarly, if you were ever to apply for say, a law firm, that has international branches to Korea, the firm would be much more inclined to hire the Korean applicant who went to the military rather than did not simply because of less tenuous issues involved. International law firms tend to hire Koreans/Asians in general to deal with that targeted client base, thus having that experience is critical.
But you are completely correct. If you have no attachments in Korea, simply keeping the U.S. citizenship is a much more safe and reliable option. I am certainly planning on living in the United States in the future, but due to my parents and my ancestry being set in Korea, having a dual citizenship is very important so that I can manage both assets in both countries with less hassle.
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He should marry a pregnant fangirl about to give birth! That would postpone the problem for years, but then he has to be a father which is probably more time consuming than serving the military
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Japan11945 Posts
On June 24 2015 16:03 shin ken wrote:
He should marry a pregnant fangirl about to give birth! That would postpone the problem for years, but then he has to be a father which is probably more time consuming than serving the military
At least it will give Bisu more motivation like PuSan. Milk Powder Toss hwaiting!
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I haven't read the whole topic, but these days effort > bisu, and this judgement is based on current results and quite a depth knowledge of zvp/pvz. ;-
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EYO7snD.jpg)
Bisu's, but the enlistment date/postponement topic hasn't come up.
