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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On June 24 2015 20:39 kogeT wrote: I haven't read the whole topic, but these days effort > bisu, and this judgement is based on current results and quite a depth knowledge of zvp/pvz. ;- I just watched Bisu stomp effort. :D | ||
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s_k_911
China363 Posts
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Jealous
10420 Posts
On June 12 2015 09:14 prech wrote: Agreed about that assessments of  EffOrt's ZvT (very strong) and ZvZ (mediocre), but his ZvP is not quite at the level of hero, Tasiki/miSa (Calm?), or Killer (in his prime) -- but closer to Larva and ZerO's. Over the last few months, I've watched EffOrt play  Bisu some 50 times (mostly FS, but also plenty of SSL maps for practice), and can probably count 5, maybe 8 wins for EffOrt during that period -- all of which were early ling run-bys or mid-game hydra/lurker bust timings. The only Zerg who seems to be able to counter Bisu's late game PvZ of late is Tasiki, and we don't really know who he is! Similarly, EffOrt's lost plenty of ladder games against second tier PvZers like Shuttle or GuemChi. No knock on the guy, he's only been in the scene for a few months and his ZvT is terrific, but let's not throne him the ZvP crown here... vs. On June 24 2015 20:39 kogeT wrote: I haven't read the whole topic, but these days effort > bisu, and this judgement is based on current results and quite a depth knowledge of zvp/pvz. ;- So which is it? "Life is opinion." | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8943 Posts
that title can only be attained by consistently beating top protosses and no one can consistently beat bisu, regardless of race i still dream of a time when tbls is reunited in the new bw era | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
Set 1: Set 2: Set 3: + Show Spoiler + Bisu 2-1 Effort Set 1: Set 2: Set 3: + Show Spoiler + Bisu 1-2 Effort Set 1-3: + Show Spoiler + Bisu 0-3 Effort Set 1: Set 2: Set 3: Set 4: + Show Spoiler + Bisu 3-1 Effort Set 1: Set 2: Set 3: + Show Spoiler + Bisu 1-2 Effort Total result of above games is Bisu 7-9 Effort, where Bisu is mostly winning less than 10 minutes games when going for front/mid 2 gateway rush. Worth mentioning these are the games from last month. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
Actually, Sea had Bisu's number on ladder for quite a bit too, but still struggled against him in tournaments. I see this as similar until they meet in a big game scenario. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
Also I have a little bit different look at those games, really trying to verify the strategic/tactical depth of both players, and I would say that Bisu doesn't have good answers to Efforts style these days. Bisu has just recently started to mix up a lot of cheese and risky moves, as his previous approach was to outmicro/outmacro his opponents, and this just doesn't work vs Effort. I would bet my money on Effort to win 60% of games vs Bisu these days. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
you must have missed a fine afternoon last month where bisu 7-1 effort. this month bisu has been quite busy, going to china for a random exhibition match worrying and settling his enlistment letter currently staying over at the kongdoo office/studio to do *something*(see afreeca feed) so he probably hasnt practice much lately. and even during his practice time he doesnt really give a lot of effort in his practice, unless theres balloons involved. thats gonna have an effect no matter what, he still trashes amateurs but you can feel him slipping up a lot against other pros. he will probably start stepping up in training when ssl ro16 comes around, he has an obligation and pride to do so. in contrast effort has always been a hard worker and even has a short break staying at a hospital after his traffic accident to recharge himself. hes been mostly playing hunters these days (to avoid burnout and/or revealing 1v1 strats probably). effort seem to be actually playing better after his discharge from hospital | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
On June 26 2015 18:32 Probemicro wrote: not all of his matches are put on his YT channel anyway, so don't draw conclusions just from games on his channel. you must have missed a fine afternoon last month where bisu 7-1 effort. this month bisu has been quite busy, going to china for a random exhibition match worrying and settling his enlistment letter currently staying over at the kongdoo office/studio to do *something*(see afreeca feed) so he probably hasnt practice much lately. and even during his practice time he doesnt really give a lot of effort in his practice, unless theres balloons involved. thats gonna have an effect no matter what, he still trashes amateurs but you can feel him slipping up a lot against other pros. he will probably start stepping up in training when ssl ro16 comes around, he has an obligation and pride to do so. in contrast effort has always been a hard worker and even has a short break staying at a hospital after his traffic accident to recharge himself. hes been mostly playing hunters these days (to avoid burnout and/or revealing 1v1 strats probably). effort seem to be actually playing better after his discharge from hospital I support the point of not only looking at YT, but I also watch live streams when have time to. This was just to prove a point, obviously I don't have a real record between these two. My overall opinion is based more on the game analysis than results. When knowing the match up very well and watching games you can say which player is under pressure and tries to find solutions and which players puts pressure and leads the game - for a last month this has been in Efforts favor. And this doesn't change from day to day, it's more a matter of game style and current shape. There will be days where Bisu or Effort dominates, but by principle you'd still be able to see if the players adventage is based on all ins / micro or macro blunders or "current skill" (as explained above). | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8943 Posts
On June 26 2015 23:16 Assault_1 wrote: I don't get how a nerd who plays bw all day can suddenly join the military, it would take months/years for him to get into shape thats the point of the 2 years. get people into shape in case actual war comes around. of course when everyone is discharged they all go back to not knowing anything about combat and losing their physicality, but thats precisely why people think compulsory military service is absolutely stupid. thats korea for you though.... | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On June 26 2015 23:16 Assault_1 wrote: I don't get how a nerd who plays bw all day can suddenly join the military, it would take months/years for him to get into shape All Bisu has to do is stand. I can't believe it took South Koreans this long to realize if they sent him to the Demilitarized Zone to be one of those guards that stands there all day and faces North Korea that North Korea would surrender to his handsomeness. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On June 09 2015 11:15 Shock710 wrote: its sad we never got the ACE dream team of bisu, stork, flash, jaedong :/ That would have been incredible. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On June 27 2015 00:04 evilfatsh1t wrote: thats the point of the 2 years. get people into shape in case actual war comes around. of course when everyone is discharged they all go back to not knowing anything about combat and losing their physicality, but thats precisely why people think compulsory military service is absolutely stupid. thats korea for you though.... I'm so glad Sweden decided to shut down its compulsory military service system (the worlds oldest) a few years ago. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 26 2015 23:16 Assault_1 wrote: I don't get how a nerd who plays bw all day can suddenly join the military, it would take months/years for him to get into shape You don't have to be in any kind of shape to join any kind of military that I'm familiar with. As long as your not obese, your're pretty much set. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
I still hope this would happen after they all retire from progaming any ways | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On June 28 2015 12:08 L_Master wrote: You don't have to be in any kind of shape to join any kind of military that I'm familiar with. As long as your not obese, your're pretty much set. its possible its changed a bit but everyone gets some sort of check up and they weed out the too tall too fat too skinny too short too old etc and anyone with health problems, ie. eyesight ( BeSt) get sorted into clerical/public service duties. for some odd reason though if you become exempt from the stay in base military service and land it the public service one society really looks down on you lol so glad I dont have to put up with that mandatory conscription bullshit, korea is so stupid  | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On June 26 2015 23:16 Assault_1 wrote: I don't get how a nerd who plays bw all day can suddenly join the military, it would take months/years for him to get into shape If your country has conscription they will force you get into shape. There is a tier system they use based on your health so they can assign you to non-physical jobs if required. | ||
Orlok
Korea (South)227 Posts
Its problematic for Bisu because the military slots right now are fairly difficult to enter, so if he forfeits the date he's received there's no guarantee he'll get a enlistment date that he wants, for example after this season of Sonic Starleague. I probably think, since he said on stream he wanted to delay, he'll probably forfeit this enlistment date and re-apply after the tournament is over. | ||
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