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On June 10 2015 03:54 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 23:15 Probemicro wrote:On June 09 2015 23:06 IntoTheheart wrote:
How does serving in the Korean Armed Forces work? Is it a full-time 24/7 you're-in-the-barracks sort of gig except on certain days, or is it more of a 9-5 type of job for the guys who are only in the army because they have to be? it depends on your fitness condition, if you are fully fit then you will do some outfield vocation that requires long periods of in camp stay if you have some preexisting debilitating medical condition/chronic illness then you would do something clerical/office work which is usually a 9-5 job without having to stay in camp. you would have more time to do other things, like taking enrichment classes or playing BW for a bit, just with restrictions like not taking another job or earn money somewhere else (afreeca streaming) currently people like  BeSt belong in this category source: not korea but did conscription in another country... but... best is a freaking monster. pretty sure he belongs in the camp stay if not lifting the entirety of NK and throwing it into the ocean. im pretty sure the combination of Nada's Body, BeSt, and Reach would be able to do it.
best has bad vision or something
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On June 09 2015 23:21 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 23:12 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
The regular Korean military is 21 months with a full 24/7 gig in the barracks with occasional vacations along the way. You have a 30~days of breaks that is for certain, but can get more by getting awards along the way.
There are other programs that are 9-5, but those are for the people who have physical/mental disabilities.
In my opinion Korea has the military service (these days) because most Koreans before then are stuck in the Korean educational system 24/7 and have no room to actually explore other avenues of life, so may tend to be immature. So it's a nice way to grow up and also get used to the corporate structure that you WILL face when you get a job in Korea.
Source : I finished my compulsory service about 4 months ago. HUE Thanks for the insight, and congrats on finishing the service! :D A hyung/classmate of mine also did it, and he seemed to be unshakable at university. Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 23:15 Probemicro wrote:On June 09 2015 23:06 IntoTheheart wrote:
How does serving in the Korean Armed Forces work? Is it a full-time 24/7 you're-in-the-barracks sort of gig except on certain days, or is it more of a 9-5 type of job for the guys who are only in the army because they have to be? it depends on your fitness condition, if you are fully fit then you will do some outfield vocation that requires long periods of in camp stay if you have some preexisting debilitating medical condition/chronic illness then you would do something clerical/office work which is usually a 9-5 job without having to stay in camp. you would have more time to do other things, like taking enrichment classes or playing BW for a bit, just with restrictions like not taking another job or earn money somewhere else (afreeca streaming) currently people like BeSt belong in this category source: not korea but did conscription in another country... Ah okay, thanks! I'm sure that iloveoov fell into this camp. Does anyone know whether or not Bisu had any significant physical problems?
Thats why we take his foot
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Katowice25012 Posts
bisu noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
you're too handsome for the military
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Just go and freaking get it done, all these postponing is so dumb. Unless your disrupting ur studies or any other serious matters, streaming on afreeca isn't one, there's no reason to keep postponing it. I enlisted when I was 20, less than 10 years later I can't do half the shit I was able to do when I was 20. It gets harder as you age. Mandatory service in Korea and Taiwan is weird, when its your turn to do it, you do it. Contrary to TL beliefs, all these actors and in this case, streamers postponing with whatever bs reason is often frown upon by their countryman.
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Canada11355 Posts
Does being fat count as a disability over there?
Start sending bisu candies!
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Postponing the date of enlistment is indeed difficult, is not sure if "tournament participation" is going to be sufficient reason. Also to avoid full-time enlistment, you really need to be debilitated in some way - the criteria is naturally harsh because government wants to avoid people dodging.
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On June 10 2015 11:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Does being fat count as a disability over there?
Doubt it. July had to serve.
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On June 10 2015 11:10 Shortizz wrote:
Just go and freaking get it done, all these postponing is so dumb. Unless your disrupting ur studies or any other serious matters, streaming on afreeca isn't one, there's no reason to keep postponing it. I enlisted when I was 20, less than 10 years later I can't do half the shit I was able to do when I was 20. It gets harder as you age. Mandatory service in Korea and Taiwan is weird, when its your turn to do it, you do it. Contrary to TL beliefs, all these actors and in this case, streamers postponing with whatever bs reason is often frown upon by their countryman.
What can you not do at 30 that you could when you were 20? Most people are physically better at 30 than they are at 20. Peak age in almost every athletic event is in a persons late 20s. There is a generally minimal (though significant at top sporting levels) but consistent decline through ones 30s, and after that is where physical decline starts to become pretty noticeable.
I don't entirely agree with your first couple sentences. It may be dumb to you, but to assume it is dumb for Bisu is not right. Bisu is arguably the best afreeca streamer and BW player at the moment, and has a very large fanbase in a game he has devoted his life to. Another major BW competition is coming up, and offers continuing opportunity to define his legacy in something he has trained his entire life for. He also stands to make a TON of money from his afreeca streaming. If he enters now, he basically kisses his top BW playing days goodbye. We don't even know if the game will be around in two years, and more importantly two years off is a very long break to take. It's unlikely he could return and be as competitive as he is now, even after practice. That's a very long break, and not many athletes or gamers can quit the sport for two years and come back to anywhere near as good as they were. Same goes for Afreeca. He can make some excellent money right now, in two years who knows to what extent BW will be around and popular.
Military could workout well for Bisu, but I think he stands to gain much more if he is able to postpone the military as long as he can. From a personal standpoint, I think entering the military would actually be the more riskier decision. Postponing is anything but dumb.
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On June 10 2015 15:58 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 11:10 Shortizz wrote:
Just go and freaking get it done, all these postponing is so dumb. Unless your disrupting ur studies or any other serious matters, streaming on afreeca isn't one, there's no reason to keep postponing it. I enlisted when I was 20, less than 10 years later I can't do half the shit I was able to do when I was 20. It gets harder as you age. Mandatory service in Korea and Taiwan is weird, when its your turn to do it, you do it. Contrary to TL beliefs, all these actors and in this case, streamers postponing with whatever bs reason is often frown upon by their countryman. What can you not do at 30 that you could when you were 20? Most people are physically better at 30 than they are at 20. Peak age in almost every athletic event is in a persons late 20s. There is a generally minimal (though significant at top sporting levels) but consistent decline through ones 30s, and after that is where physical decline starts to become pretty noticeable. I don't entirely agree with your first couple sentences. It may be dumb to you, but to assume it is dumb for Bisu is not right. Bisu is arguably the best afreeca streamer and BW player at the moment, and has a very large fanbase in a game he has devoted his life to. Another major BW competition is coming up, and offers continuing opportunity to define his legacy in something he has trained his entire life for. He also stands to make a TON of money from his afreeca streaming. If he enters now, he basically kisses his top BW playing days goodbye. We don't even know if the game will be around in two years, and more importantly two years off is a very long break to take. It's unlikely he could return and be as competitive as he is now, even after practice. That's a very long break, and not many athletes or gamers can quit the sport for two years and come back to anywhere near as good as they were. Same goes for Afreeca. He can make some excellent money right now, in two years who knows to what extent BW will be around and popular. Military could workout well for Bisu, but I think he stands to gain much more if he is able to postpone the military as long as he can. From a personal standpoint, I think entering the military would actually be the more riskier decision. Postponing is anything but dumb.
Bisu is a computer game player who holes in his room streaming to viewers. Many people enlisted despite being in the peak of their careers too, sportsman, top scholars etc. If you are going to talk about money, many young entrepreneurs and bankers earning way more than BW streamers do it too. Im replying to you as someone who lives in a country with mandatory military service. Everyone does it, even your favourite computer game streamer. How can you even call it mandatory if someone is able to postpone it just so he can continue his career of playing computer games? Even doctors with a much credible career and possible a huge disruption to their studies does it.
I dont have statistics or anything like that, but its way easier to learn new things and train your fitness when your 20. The standard physical test are adjusted according to your age with 18-24 being the hardest, i think that speaks for itself. Theres also a ton of reasons why they conscript at 20 instead of 30, some of it, surprisingly, is for the sake of the enlistee.
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lol I would say conscription is partly to blame why there are few stellar local born male athletes in singapore (most are foreign talent stolen from elsewhere). 19-20 is a good age to train physically for conscription but it is also the peak period of athletic development for any aspiring athlete. messi would not have been as good as he is now if he is forced to conscript so early on for example.
at least Korea have much lax postponement that allow potential athletes to flourish for longer, and it shows in their results. olyimpic success even gives them exemption from service altogether
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On June 10 2015 18:02 Probemicro wrote:
lol I would say conscription is partly to blame why there are few stellar local born male athletes in singapore (most are foreign talent stolen from elsewhere). 19-20 is a good age to train physically for conscription but it is also the peak period of athletic development for any aspiring athlete. messi would not have been as good as he is now if he is forced to conscript so early on for example.
at least Korea have much lax postponement that allow potential athletes to flourish for longer, and it shows in their results. olyimpic success even gives them exemption from service altogether
Agreed. Though they do give boys with huge potential a few years off here and then. For video games though, not in our life time.
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On June 10 2015 17:30 Shortizz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 15:58 L_Master wrote:On June 10 2015 11:10 Shortizz wrote:
Just go and freaking get it done, all these postponing is so dumb. Unless your disrupting ur studies or any other serious matters, streaming on afreeca isn't one, there's no reason to keep postponing it. I enlisted when I was 20, less than 10 years later I can't do half the shit I was able to do when I was 20. It gets harder as you age. Mandatory service in Korea and Taiwan is weird, when its your turn to do it, you do it. Contrary to TL beliefs, all these actors and in this case, streamers postponing with whatever bs reason is often frown upon by their countryman. What can you not do at 30 that you could when you were 20? Most people are physically better at 30 than they are at 20. Peak age in almost every athletic event is in a persons late 20s. There is a generally minimal (though significant at top sporting levels) but consistent decline through ones 30s, and after that is where physical decline starts to become pretty noticeable. I don't entirely agree with your first couple sentences. It may be dumb to you, but to assume it is dumb for Bisu is not right. Bisu is arguably the best afreeca streamer and BW player at the moment, and has a very large fanbase in a game he has devoted his life to. Another major BW competition is coming up, and offers continuing opportunity to define his legacy in something he has trained his entire life for. He also stands to make a TON of money from his afreeca streaming. If he enters now, he basically kisses his top BW playing days goodbye. We don't even know if the game will be around in two years, and more importantly two years off is a very long break to take. It's unlikely he could return and be as competitive as he is now, even after practice. That's a very long break, and not many athletes or gamers can quit the sport for two years and come back to anywhere near as good as they were. Same goes for Afreeca. He can make some excellent money right now, in two years who knows to what extent BW will be around and popular. Military could workout well for Bisu, but I think he stands to gain much more if he is able to postpone the military as long as he can. From a personal standpoint, I think entering the military would actually be the more riskier decision. Postponing is anything but dumb. Bisu is a computer game player who holes in his room streaming to viewers. Many people enlisted despite being in the peak of their careers too, sportsman, top scholars etc. If you are going to talk about money, many young entrepreneurs and bankers earning way more than BW streamers do it too. Im replying to you as someone who lives in a country with mandatory military service. Everyone does it, even your favourite computer game streamer. How can you even call it mandatory if someone is able to postpone it just so he can continue his career of playing computer games? Even doctors with a much credible career and possible a huge disruption to their studies does it. I dont have statistics or anything like that, but its way easier to learn new things and train your fitness when your 20. The standard physical test are adjusted according to your age with 18-24 being the hardest, i think that speaks for itself. Theres also a ton of reasons why they conscript at 20 instead of 30, some of it, surprisingly, is for the sake of the enlistee.
Bisu makes more money streaming than most bankers or professional athletes (obviously there are athletes making thousands of times more but I'm talking about average athletes and average banker). I don't know how long is the service supposed to be but bisu might not be able to make money from bw anymore after it's done.
I am also replying from a country with mandatory military service. and by the way, postponing military service is nothing new in South Korea among progamers. You just sound like you want him out of the scene, which propably is the case.
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Isn't humanity spending enough on army already? It beats me when I see people trying to defend the army enlistment. How can you possibly support that a good doctor, teacher or scientist should disappear for 1.5 years from what he's doing, disrupting all his work, just to.. become like a bunch of other people?
I could understand an argument that it's discipline and it's important - right. Perhaps we should spend the same amount of resources on education, as that's also important. And even if you would decide, that discipline is a good thing for the population - there have to be exceptions. A lot of exceptions. Every single man that adds lots of good things to society, with or without discipline - should be an exception. Bisu is an exception.
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Bisu pls: show them BW is so popular again and convince ACE to have a BW team.
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On June 09 2015 23:01 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 22:06 Shock710 wrote:
i have to say i am curious to how fast bisu will bounce back after years of not playing at all actually you can still play BW during army period(if your duty is light enough), just that you cannot stream without explicit permission mini is still seen playing in fish server occasionally despite being in the army now Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 23:00 BisuDagger wrote:
Nada seems to be doing just fine and seeing how quickly he came back to form after SC2 I wouldn't be to worried. Him be gone will heavy impact on the overall scene. He's the only true S-Class god active on the scene. Unless someone like Nada returns to Nada level form, media attention will take a slight hit. i think nada did practice for a bit during his army period, his mechanics seem a bit too sharp to have not supposedly played for ~2 years
I dunno if you play a game for almost 10.years and you're a God at it, it's not that hard to bounce back.
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On June 11 2015 00:05 thezanursic wrote:
I dunno if you play a game for almost 10.years and you're a God at it, it's not that hard to bounce back.
yeah tell that to JD with his awful display in that exhibit match against stork last year.
going from undisputed no.1 zerg that make any opponents piss their pants to laughable random fish player calibre, all because he wants to play swarmhostcraft instead
rust sets in as long as you don't practice in a long time.
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On June 11 2015 00:41 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 00:05 thezanursic wrote:
I dunno if you play a game for almost 10.years and you're a God at it, it's not that hard to bounce back. yeah tell that to JD with his awful display in that exhibit match against stork last year. going from undisputed no.1 zerg that make any opponents piss their pants to laughable random fish player calibre, all because he wants to play swarmhostcraft instead rust sets in as long as you don't practice in a long time.
TBH tho you don't think Jaedong would whoop everyone in the current BW scene after a month of practice?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2015 17:30 Shortizz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 15:58 L_Master wrote:On June 10 2015 11:10 Shortizz wrote:
Just go and freaking get it done, all these postponing is so dumb. Unless your disrupting ur studies or any other serious matters, streaming on afreeca isn't one, there's no reason to keep postponing it. I enlisted when I was 20, less than 10 years later I can't do half the shit I was able to do when I was 20. It gets harder as you age. Mandatory service in Korea and Taiwan is weird, when its your turn to do it, you do it. Contrary to TL beliefs, all these actors and in this case, streamers postponing with whatever bs reason is often frown upon by their countryman. What can you not do at 30 that you could when you were 20? Most people are physically better at 30 than they are at 20. Peak age in almost every athletic event is in a persons late 20s. There is a generally minimal (though significant at top sporting levels) but consistent decline through ones 30s, and after that is where physical decline starts to become pretty noticeable. I don't entirely agree with your first couple sentences. It may be dumb to you, but to assume it is dumb for Bisu is not right. Bisu is arguably the best afreeca streamer and BW player at the moment, and has a very large fanbase in a game he has devoted his life to. Another major BW competition is coming up, and offers continuing opportunity to define his legacy in something he has trained his entire life for. He also stands to make a TON of money from his afreeca streaming. If he enters now, he basically kisses his top BW playing days goodbye. We don't even know if the game will be around in two years, and more importantly two years off is a very long break to take. It's unlikely he could return and be as competitive as he is now, even after practice. That's a very long break, and not many athletes or gamers can quit the sport for two years and come back to anywhere near as good as they were. Same goes for Afreeca. He can make some excellent money right now, in two years who knows to what extent BW will be around and popular. Military could workout well for Bisu, but I think he stands to gain much more if he is able to postpone the military as long as he can. From a personal standpoint, I think entering the military would actually be the more riskier decision. Postponing is anything but dumb. Bisu is a computer game player who holes in his room streaming to viewers. Many people enlisted despite being in the peak of their careers too, sportsman, top scholars etc. If you are going to talk about money, many young entrepreneurs and bankers earning way more than BW streamers do it too. Im replying to you as someone who lives in a country with mandatory military service. Everyone does it, even your favourite computer game streamer. How can you even call it mandatory if someone is able to postpone it just so he can continue his career of playing computer games? Even doctors with a much credible career and possible a huge disruption to their studies does it. I dont have statistics or anything like that, but its way easier to learn new things and train your fitness when your 20. The standard physical test are adjusted according to your age with 18-24 being the hardest, i think that speaks for itself. Theres also a ton of reasons why they conscript at 20 instead of 30, some of it, surprisingly, is for the sake of the enlistee.
Agree with L_Master and Piste on this.
You shouldn't compare the doctors or the bankers or other non-esports professionals with e-sports progamers (or amateurs in bw). Non-esports professionals and athletes can still pursue the same career after the military service. It actually makes more sense if they do it at an earlier age to get it over with. Many professionals who work in medical or financial industries will only have a career peak in their 30s. Besides, their fields will always stay around even for centuries from now.
As you know, e-sports is totally different, the peak of their career is teens/early 20s. And since e-sports, especiallly bw is not as stable as the other sports and profession, delaying bisu's military service would be more beneficial for him and probably the entire bw community, since i think he's the best right now in bw.
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aww man. i think we honestly knew this was coming. but yeah honestly i think the best thing is just to get it over with. maybe postpone it till the end of the next major tournament or something.
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