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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
February 27 2012 21:37 GMT
#141
On February 27 2012 23:34 a5mod wrote:
why play bw sc2 is better

User was warned for this post

On February 28 2012 00:34 Zoler wrote:
On February 28 2012 06:10 ticklishmusic wrote:


Homeground advantage
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emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
February 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#142
On February 28 2012 06:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
Playing BW after SC2 is a huge ego-deflater. Most of my SC2 friends learned the hard way. Welcome to the best and most balanced (and unforgiving) game in the world. Except for life.

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So true. I went from middling diamond protoss sc2 to D- terran who can barely win a game haha. still enjoyed it though
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AyameStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
February 28 2012 00:22 GMT
#143
Hi guys.

I'm amazed at this community. Unlike the SC2 community everyone here is so encouraging and supportive. Damn it I wish I discovered this game in 1998 instead of in 2010 via World of Warcraft telling me about Starcraft 2. So I would have only been 5 years old but think of where I could be. Maybe B+ by now xD (sarcasm, or then again perhaps not?)

Gonna check out some games on the nevake youtube channel. Flash, iloveoov etc. Hopefully I will learn a thing or two.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 28 2012 00:31 GMT
#144
On February 28 2012 09:22 AyameStarcraft wrote:
Hi guys.

I'm amazed at this community. Unlike the SC2 community everyone here is so encouraging and supportive. Damn it I wish I discovered this game in 1998 instead of in 2010 via World of Warcraft telling me about Starcraft 2. So I would have only been 5 years old but think of where I could be. Maybe B+ by now xD (sarcasm, or then again perhaps not?)

Gonna check out some games on the nevake youtube channel. Flash, iloveoov etc. Hopefully I will learn a thing or two.

Watching SC doesn't make you good, but it does make you more interested in the game. I've seen tons of games but I'm still arguably the worst person on TL.net. Never give up, and I agree that the BW community's more open than the SC2 one for me.
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Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
February 28 2012 00:42 GMT
#145
Ive played 2 games in broodwar so far. I won one and lost another. So far I think it is much more fun then sc2. Also losing is much less frustrating. Games are longer and more happens.

Keep playing!
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
February 28 2012 00:54 GMT
#146
Hoooooooooooly shit. after being an sc2 player my whole career, 2v2 BW is such an unbelievable step up in game quality. 1v1 I still probably enjoy sc2 more since I am more competetive and know builds better, but I had pretty much given up on 2v2..... until now.
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Reyis
Profile Joined August 2009
Pitcairn287 Posts
February 28 2012 01:04 GMT
#147
bw is better in every aspect. 1v1, 2v2, all other UMS stuff. so yeah you guys have made the right choice.

welcome!
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28733 Posts
February 28 2012 01:45 GMT
#148
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 28 2012 01:46 GMT
#149
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.


Tempted to do that. But then I realize that I have school.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
February 28 2012 02:35 GMT
#150
On February 28 2012 02:45 NinjoOb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 02:24 hellbound wrote:
On February 28 2012 01:19 pettter wrote:
On February 28 2012 00:56 epoc wrote:
On February 28 2012 00:35 fabiano wrote:
On February 27 2012 23:26 epoc wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:53 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:33 AyameStarcraft wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:10 craz3d wrote:


It could be down to a shitty keyboard.



Not an issue. Filco Majestouch. Also all my 1a2a3a habits are from sc2 so it is most likely me clicking too early or something like what a couple others have said.

Ok little update.

Mutas flat out kill me. So I'm avoiding TvZ until I can actually get a win vs protoss which is the only match up I have any idea of what I'm doing. I'm getting used to where o is on the keyboard. Having a lot less derp moments with my tanks not going in to siege mode. if there are any protoss reading this ( I really don't care your skill level You could be A+ for all I care) and fancy playing 10-20 games in a row then msg me please.


Does it have full NKey Rollover though? Not all majestouch's have it (plus you need to use PS/2). Probably not likely the issue anyway.

I am happy to help you practise against Protoss. I used to be random anyway haha. I have pretty good muta micro too from playing muta micro maps with friends and religiously doing 2 hatch muta builds, so I can help you with that too I am currently helping a bunch of SC2 newbies with BW so I could probably hook you up with one of them.

Main thing newbies don't do is focus fire on the mutas, and also understanding the "dance" (do the opposite of what the mutas do), and SC2 players are also in the mindset that 1 turret can hold off an entire muta flock, turrets feel like they do about 10% of what they do in SC2 and mutas are a lot stronger at the same time. You also need to cluster your turrets with good positioning so that mutas can't knock em down 1 by 1, not spread them out like you do in SC2.

But yeah best to learn one matchup at a time.


I don't understand this dance. What's the purpose behind it?


To minimize the damage to your mutas and to keep them stacked.


No no I mean why do the marines do the opposite that mutas do?

Marines have slightly longer range than mutas, so you want to lure the mutas in far enough to get some shots off without the mutas actually firing due to you backing off just enough.


I think the more important aspect of dancing marines is making opponents mutas misfire or fly in too deep by making it hard to judge distance and timing of the engagement. If done properly it will keep the marines in formation too.

Edit: Annex of self-depreciation. I am just saying this from the perspective of a useless C- zerg. Take it as you will. I'm sure sooner or later a terran will pop in and tell it how it be.


From my perspective, the idea behind this is that it creates a "all my marines will shoot one of your mutas down or you won't get to attack my marines at all" situation. I watched a few fpvods of pros back when muta harass gave me a lot of trouble (it still does now that I think of it) and you can see they clump the marines together, move forward as the muta stack does, then target fire one of the mutas. When it's done correctly you can pick off a muta everytime (easier if you went for a fast +1 attack upgrade on your marines) and then it becomes quite a bad trade for the zerg. On the other hand if you simply target a muta and let your marines chase it or worse if you attack move, then your marines will get picked off 1,2 or 3 at a time without doing much damage.


Finally someone got it! :D

Yeah basically you wanna be target firing and killing mutas one at a time, the best way to do it is to do the opposite of what the muta clump does. Consistently thinning the muta numbers is the most efficient way.

Muta moves away, you move away.

Muta close in, you [stim] close in [and target fire a muta]. If you do it right you will kill a muta every time.

This either will make him too afraid to engage, and you can pressure him much more easily, or he will just keep losing mutas until there is none left.

Poster before was half-right, sometimes you can bait them in too deep and you can pick off 2 or 3 at once.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:38:40
February 28 2012 02:38 GMT
#151
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.


Although I would really appreciate some free coaching! :D
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AyameStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
February 28 2012 02:45 GMT
#152
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.



I've added you I don't mind being crushed honestly. By playing players much better than you, sure you won't win for a long time but when you then go to play players at your rank you'll find they are suddenly much easier to deal with. At least that's somewhat true I think.

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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
February 28 2012 03:17 GMT
#153
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.


Ah, a BM from a true gentleman lol
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 03:51:52
February 28 2012 03:50 GMT
#154
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.


Dost thou bite thy thumb at me sir?

I forgot to bring my mouse to college though :/

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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
February 28 2012 04:09 GMT
#155
On February 28 2012 12:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.


Dost thou bite thy thumb at me sir?

I forgot to bring my mouse to college though :/


get one. I'm pretty sure that you could masqurade as a broke CS student and ask ur campus IT for a mouse (Say it's for a project :D)
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
AyameStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
February 28 2012 04:37 GMT
#156
Hmm,

Actually considering switching to Protoss. Terran is just really hard and as I'm trying to use this as an escape from SC2 I'd rather not lose 99% of the time due to having really crappy mechanics. We'll see how things go.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 28 2012 05:09 GMT
#157
On February 28 2012 13:37 AyameStarcraft wrote:
Hmm,

Actually considering switching to Protoss. Terran is just really hard and as I'm trying to use this as an escape from SC2 I'd rather not lose 99% of the time due to having really crappy mechanics. We'll see how things go.


Protoss is arguably the most random of the races. Scarabs that don't explode, goons with AI IQ of about -40... yeah.

Yeah, but the mice at my school suck. I want my old wireless logitech mini-- I played BW for 4 years with it! They don't even give us MS Office for free, and tuition here is obscene (thank goodness for scholarships)
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AyameStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom192 Posts
February 28 2012 08:23 GMT
#158
I'm leaning on the edge of not playing this.

I have a sudden newfound respect for professional players of this game but this game is really hard. I guess I'm going to be bucking the trend here but I just find myself discouraged and unwilling to play. I'll think about it over night.
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
February 28 2012 08:56 GMT
#159
On February 28 2012 17:23 AyameStarcraft wrote:
I'm leaning on the edge of not playing this.

I have a sudden newfound respect for professional players of this game but this game is really hard. I guess I'm going to be bucking the trend here but I just find myself discouraged and unwilling to play. I'll think about it over night.


Play with equally nooby people and try to reach the lategame. Lategame is super fun between friends (who are noobs) cause you're all just all over the place. :D
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
February 28 2012 09:04 GMT
#160
On February 28 2012 10:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bw is so fun
I will prolly be playing some next couple weeks. add tot)eriador( on iccup and msg me for some games. I will beat you but we can watch the replays together afterwards and I will tell you stuff to focus on.

I saw you today at op teamliquid ! :D

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